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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Success and Growing Pains: How to Build Systems That Scale – E104

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey explore the complexities of rapid sales growth. While many companies aspire to grow, not all are ready for the operational strain accompanying success. The hosts share insights on scaling systems, optimizing sales operations, and ensuring growth doesn’t break your business. This episode offers actionable strategies for businesses facing fast-paced expansion, from onboarding salespeople to expanding infrastructure. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: A… 

Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

Have you ever wondered how a well-established manufacturing company can revolutionize its sales strategy? The journey of TriState Fabricators, a premier metal fabrication shop in the Midwest, offers compelling insights into this process. In a recent interview, I sat down with Joe Vogt, President and Owner, and Jonathon Padial, VP of Sales, to discuss their transformative experience. With his 20-year tenure at TriState, Joe Vogt recognized the need for change to scale the business. The… 

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Daily Habits for Deepening Sales Relationships: A Guide for Busy Sales Professionals – E103

In this insightful episode, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey delve into practical strategies for deepening relationships and boosting sales without extensive outreach efforts. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with actionable tips to enhance your sales approach by focusing on the people you already know. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast: Daily Personalized Outreach: Dedicate a few minutes daily… 

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Strategy Deep Dive: How to Align Offers with Client Expectations – E102

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey in a dynamic episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales,” where they dive deep into the essential elements of crafting an effective sales strategy. Whether you’re a sales newbie or a seasoned pro, this episode promises insights into refining your approach to acquiring new clients and boosting your sales performance. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast: Reflect on Your Client… 

Unstick Your Sales: The Importance of Understanding the Buyer’s Journey

It’s no secret that the dynamics between the buyer and the salesperson play a pivotal role in sealing the deal. The conversation often revolves around real sales issues, selling situations, and sales leadership. 

Let’s delve into a scenario. You’re selling to a beer industry manufacturer, and their first question is about your price. This immediate focus on cost might make you think this may not be a good prospect. However, it’s crucial to remember that you can’t be disrespectful or dismissive. As salespeople, it’s our job to work with what we have. 

In this situation, the salesperson has to conduct a discovery call and engage a subject matter expert to understand the prospect’s business process, adaptation, and conversion. Unfortunately, the interaction turned into a commodity exchange, with the buyer solely interested in the number of users and the price per user. 

This scenario illustrates a common challenge in sales: the sales and buying processes often need to align. How your Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is set up may not necessarily mirror how the buyer decides. Therefore, figuring out how to sell more effectively based on the buyer’s journey is crucial. Understanding the buyer is discussed in great detail in my book Eliminate Your Competition, which is available wherever you buy books.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Beyond the Basics: Elevating Sales Training with Effective Coaching – E101

Join Kevin and Sean as they dissect the common pitfalls of sales training and explore effective strategies to make learning stick. They share invaluable advice on how sales leaders can profoundly influence their teams’ performance through intentional coaching and robust training frameworks. This episode is a must-listen for sales professionals eager to elevate their game and harness the full potential of their training experiences.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From Microphones to Mountains – Reflecting on 100 Episodes of Sales Wisdom – E100

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey in this milestone 100th episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales.” They take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, revisiting the evolution of their podcast from simple LinkedIn live events to a thriving sales discussion platform on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. They delve into their personal growth, the transformative insights gained, and the invaluable lessons they’ve shared across 100 episodes. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: Previous… 

Navigating Through Sales Slumps: A Strategic Approach for Sales Leaders

Like any other profession, sales is not immune to periods of underperformance or slumps. These periods can be particularly challenging when a top performer in your sales team is slumping. Addressing this issue effectively can significantly improve the productivity of your sales processes, ultimately leading to increased revenue for your company.

Various factors can trigger a sales slump, but it often implies a deviation from the sales process or strategy. Sales is a time-based process, not a transactional one. It involves selling to other businesses, which takes time. Therefore, as a sales leader or CEO, it’s crucial to identify when the sales trend starts to slide. This identification is not just about revenue; it requires a retrospective look at the early stages of a sale. If there aren’t enough leads or active relationships in your pipeline, you can foresee a slump and take proactive measures to change outcomes.

A common mistake is focusing on the revenue loss resulting from the effort expended. A more constructive approach is to evaluate the salesperson’s activities in the sales process. If they do the right things daily, they will quickly work out of the slump. The focus should be on maintaining an effective pipeline and executing all the necessary tasks, such as good scoping and discovery calls.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Destination Success: Mapping Your Sales Strategy with Precision – E97

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey as they dive into the intricacies of sales strategy, drawing parallels to planning a family vacation. As we edge closer to our 100th episode, this session unpacks why having a well-documented and aligned business plan is crucial—akin to knowing your vacation destination to ensure everything goes smoothly. Whether you’re a business owner or a sales professional, this episode provides vital insights into simplifying and aligning your sales strategy… 

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Leading with Generosity- The Servant Leadership Approach to Sales with Tom Daly – E93

Welcome to another enriching episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales,” where hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into the art of sales with special guest Tom Daly from Focus Insights Group. In this episode, we explore the concept of servant leadership in sales and how giving more can ultimately lead to receiving more in business and personal growth.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • Servant Leadership in Sales [00:01:00 – 00:10:00]: Tom Daly discusses the importance of building productive referral networks and how servant leadership has helped him succeed in sales.
  • The Power of Giving Freely [00:05:00 – 00:08:00]: A detailed exploration of how giving without expecting immediate returns can foster long-term business relationships and personal satisfaction.
  • Balancing Generosity with Business Acumen [00:05:20 – 00:06:30]: Kevin probes the delicate balance between generosity and ensuring business viability.
  • Community and Collaboration [00:06:43 – 00:07:33]: The significance of a supportive community within the sales acceleration network, emphasizing collective success over individual gains.
  • Sales as a Helping Profession [00:08:21 – 00:09:52]: Sean reflects on the philosophy that sales should focus on helping and solving problems rather than just transactional interactions.
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