Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As Q2 kicks into full gear, it’s time to pause and reflect—are you ahead, on pace, or falling behind on your sales targets? In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey unpack one of a sales leader’s most crucial yet often overlooked responsibilities: knowing your numbers. With equal parts practical advice and strategic vision, this conversation walks you through the foundational metrics every sales leader should track—customer acquisition cost, average transaction size, support staffing ratios, and more. Whether you’re forecasting growth, scaling headcount, or simply trying to stay ahead of the competition, this episode is your playbook for building a metrics-driven sales organization that thrives.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Why “Keeping Score” Matters in Sales Leadership (00:00)
    Kevin kicks off the episode with a strong analogy to competitive sports, emphasizing that tracking performance metrics is non-negotiable for sales leaders aiming to grow.
  • Building a Forward-Looking Sales Metrics Matrix (00:01)
    Kevin walks through how to build a simple but powerful matrix using transaction volume, average deal size, and headcount to visualize both current performance and future goals.
  • Calculating Average Transaction Size and Quota Coverage (00:02)
    Learn how to reverse-engineer quota achievement by dividing sales goals by average transaction size to determine activity targets for your team.
  • Understanding Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) (00:05)
    Sean breaks down the components of CAC and explains why every sales leader must know this figure to scale sustainably and profitably.
  • Debunking the “Geopolitics Are Killing Sales” Excuse (00:09)
    Sean challenges the notion that global events are valid reasons for missed quotas, reinforcing that internal execution and strategic clarity are what really matter.
  • Aligning Sales Activity with Strategic Growth Goals (00:12)
    Kevin closes the episode with a systems-thinking approach to leadership, showing how small adjustments in metrics, team development, and compensation can drive exponential growth.

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson: “Keeping score is important. Really important. I’m talking like March Madness. Final game. Important.” (00:00)

Sean O’Shaughnessey: “If it takes you more than 20 minutes to figure out this information, then you need a better bookkeeping system.” (00:06)

Sean O’Shaughnessey: “You need to know what your average deal size is. You need to know how long it takes you to get a customer. Your CRM should be solving that.” (00:07)

Kevin Lawson: “We want to gently steer our company towards our goals. So the thinking about this process is all about knowing your numbers.” (00:12)

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Build Your Sales Metrics Matrix This Week
Start with your annual revenue goal. Break it down by the number of salespeople, average transaction value, and number of transactions needed per rep per month. Then layer in your customer acquisition cost, support staffing ratios, and expected margin. This matrix becomes your roadmap for scaling intelligently—whether you’re doubling headcount, expanding territory, or just trying to hit a consistent quota.

Episode Summary

In a world of uncertainty, Two Tall Guys Talking Sales reminds us that clarity comes from data. Kevin and Sean deliver a compelling, no-nonsense discussion about how to take control of your revenue engine by genuinely understanding the math behind your sales motion. Whether you’re a CEO, VP of Sales, or just starting to lead a team, this episode offers an essential primer on aligning your operations to your goals. Don’t miss this one—it might be the wake-up call your spreadsheet has been waiting for.

👉 Hit play now to future-proof your sales strategy by learning how to know your numbers like a pro.

Level Up Your Sales Prospecting with Advanced Research Techniques

Level Up Your Sales Prospecting with Advanced Research Techniques

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

A shoutout to Chris Spanier and Episode #85 of the Practical, Actionable Marketing Podcast

Sales prospecting has always been a grind. What if you could cut your research time in half and dramatically improve your outreach results?

In Episode #85 of the Practical, Actionable Marketing podcast, host Chris Spanier delivers a masterclass on how to do just that. Titled “Advanced Prospecting Research Tools,” the episode is packed with time-saving techniques and tools that help sales professionals build sharper prospect profiles faster.

As someone with over four decades in sales and sales management, I believe this kind of tactical insight makes a difference. If you haven’t already, listen to the episode. Then, come back here for a quick breakdown of what Chris covered—plus a few of my thoughts.

Why Prospect Research Matters More Than Ever

In a market saturated with sales messages, relevance is your only competitive advantage. The days of blasting generic emails to massive lists are over. Today, the winners are the ones who personalize their outreach with precision—and that begins with better research.

Unfortunately, most salespeople waste hours digging through irrelevant or incomplete data. They either under-research and go in blind or over-research and burn time on unqualified leads. The trick is finding a balance—doing more innovative research, not just more research.

That’s precisely what Chris addresses in this episode.

Build a Tiered Research Stack Based on Prospect Value

One of the most practical ideas Chris shares is a three-tiered research strategy—matching your level of research effort to the potential value of the opportunity.

  • High-value prospects deserve premium research. Tools like Nimbler, Apollo, and Snovio provide the relatively accurate contact data, firmographics, and context for tailored outreach. If you’re tight on budget, these tools often offer free plans with limited monthly records.
  • Mid-funnel prospects are well-suited for tools like LinkedIn Sales Navigator or KnowledgeNet. But here’s the twist: don’t just skim the surface of their profiles. Instead, dig into their activity feed—what they post, like, and comment on. This gives you insight into their priorities, pain points, and current initiatives.
  • Top-of-funnel prospecting at scale can be handled with data platforms like Data Axle. While the data may not always be fresh, the breadth of filters available can help you uncover new accounts that match your ideal customer profile.

This tiered approach lets you allocate your time and tools effectively, ensuring you invest the most effort where it will yield the greatest return.

Go Beyond Firmographics: Create a 360° Prospect Profile

Many sales professionals stop at company size, revenue, and industry. But those are just the basics. Chris recommends creating a “360-degree view” of each prospect.

Here’s what that looks like in practice:

  • Technographics – What software or platforms are they already using? Are they a fit for your stack?
  • Intent Data – Are they actively researching topics related to your solution?
  • Engagement History – Have they interacted with your content or team before?
  • Social Signals – What are their professional interests, and who do they engage with in their network?

When you combine these elements, you get a richer picture of the prospect and their current stage in their buying journey.

Master Boolean Search to Uncover the Hidden Gems

Advanced search operators—especially Boolean logic—can help you cut through the noise and zero in on the right leads. Chris drops a great example:

"marketing director" AND (automation OR personalization) NOT agency

This logic narrows your scope, helping you find prospects that fit your ICP more precisely. You can apply these operators on LinkedIn, Google, and many sales tools that support custom queries. It’s a slight shift that delivers big impact.

Use Trigger Events to Time Your Outreach

Timing matters in sales. A well-timed email—sent when a company has just secured funding or hired a new executive—can dramatically increase your odds of getting a response.

Chris suggests setting up Google Alerts for trigger events such as:

  • New product launches
  • C-suite leadership changes
  • Job postings that suggest a strategic shift
  • Funding rounds or acquisitions

These events signal a company’s openness to change, making it the perfect moment to introduce your solution.

Try This: Audit and Optimize Your Current Workflow

Chris closes the episode with a challenge worth taking seriously. Time how long it takes you to research ten prospects using your current method. Then, apply just one new tool or technique from this episode and time it again.

I’ve done this with sales teams; the results are consistently striking. You save time, uncover better-fit prospects, and send messages that resonate.

Final Thoughts: Practical, Actionable, and Results-Driven

Chris Spanier’s Practical, Actionable Marketing podcast consistently lives up to its name—and Episode #85 stands out. It’s a treasure trove of real-world advice bridging the marketing and sales gap.

If you’re tired of spinning your wheels on prospecting, this episode gives you the tools and tactics to move faster, smarter, and more confidently.

🟦 Listen to Episode #85 now → Practical, Actionable Marketing with Chris Spanier

📌 Take action: Choose one tactic, implement it this week, and measure the difference. The results may surprise you.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome business intermediary Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway. Tom brings decades of experience in buying, selling, and valuing businesses across the Midwest. The conversation dives deep into what truly drives the value of a company—and how sales leaders and business owners alike can prepare their organizations for a future transition. Whether you’re a business owner considering a sale or a sales executive interested in how sales performance impacts company valuation, this episode delivers invaluable guidance. It’s part education, part strategy session, and all high-value insight.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Three Core Approaches to Business Valuation – Asset, income, and comparative market methods explained simply and practically. (04:22)
  • Preparing a Business for Sale: Lessons from Real Estate – Why “curb appeal” matters for companies and how to improve it over time. (07:36)
  • What Buyers Want: Sales Growth, Consistency, and Processes – How prospective buyers assess the health of a business beyond profit margins. (09:00)
  • The Hidden Red Flag: When the Owner Is the Only Salesperson – Risks for buyers and strategies for mitigating dependency on the founder. (13:31)
  • Leveraging AI to Gain Competitive Market Intelligence – How technology is transforming buyer and seller knowledge in M&A. (11:32)

Key Quotes

Tom Gottlieb: “Every buyer wants the same thing: a business that works without the owner. That means strong processes, steady sales growth, and predictable profitability.” (09:01)
Sean O’Shaughnessey: “So if you don’t want to stick around after the sale, then train your sales team now—and watch the value of your company go up.” (14:16)
Kevin Lawson: “Tom, every time we talk, I walk away with something new. This episode is no exception.” (11:31)
Tom Gottlieb: “Buyers rarely show up with a bag of cash. There’s a timeline. A deal doesn’t close in a weekend—it’s often a year-long journey.” (07:00)

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start documenting your sales process today.
If you are a business owner—or advise one—and the majority of revenue hinges on a single salesperson (often the owner themselves), that’s a red flag for any future buyer. Begin formalizing your sales process, distribute responsibilities among team members, and track sales metrics consistently. This improves operational resilience and significantly enhances company value in a potential sale.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Selling a business isn’t just about profit, perception, process, and preparedness. In this episode, Kevin and Sean extract wisdom from Tom Gottlieb that applies to any B2B organization considering an exit in the next 3 to 10 years. It’s packed with strategic takeaways, sales insights, and behind-the-scenes truths about what makes a business attractive to buyers. Whether you’re a founder, an investor, or a sales leader, this episode will reshape how you think about long-term value creation. Tune in and learn how to make your business sell-ready—starting now.

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this episode, the tall guys dive deep into one of the most critical yet commonly broken elements in any sales organization: the sales funnel. Whether you’re stuck with a clunky three-stage process that tells you nothing or overwhelmed with 35 micro-stages that only confuse your reps, Sean and Kevin offer a practical guide to rethinking and rebuilding your pipeline strategy. Packed with metaphors (yes, even superhero ones) and sharp analysis, this episode will leave you inspired to take a hard look at your funnel—and finally fix it.


Key Topics Discussed

  • Why Most Sales Funnels Are Broken (00:00:45)
    Sean unpacks the common pitfalls in how companies define and manage their sales stages, including oversimplified or overly complex CRM setups.
  • Defining Sales Stages Based on the Buyer Journey (00:04:30)
    Kevin emphasizes the need to align your sales stages with how buyers actually buy—not how your company wants to sell.
  • How Many Sales Stages Are Too Many? (00:05:00)
    The guys explore the delicate balance between not enough insight and too much complexity in stage design.
  • The Case for Multiple Pipelines (00:08:00)
    When does it make sense to separate budgetary planning pipelines from active sales discussions? Kevin and Sean explain.
  • What a Healthy Funnel Actually Looks Like (00:10:45)
    Sean introduces a visual and mathematical approach to evaluating whether your funnel is properly shaped—and what to do if it’s not.


Key Quotes

“The Avengers became a team, not just Iron Man. You need to have a team. Even superhero salespeople like to have support.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:02:50)

“Fixing the funnel starts visually. Does it fit well on one sheet of paper? If not, you’ve already lost the battle for clarity.”
— Kevin Lawson (00:04:45)

“Stages should be built to qualify someone into the next step—not just to log an activity. Every transition should represent progress, not busyness.”
— Kevin Lawson (00:06:15)

“If your pipeline doesn’t look like a funnel, then you’re either wasting time or losing deals. Probably both.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:12:20)

Additional Resources Referenced

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Audit Your Sales Funnel for Shape and Stage Effectiveness
Pull a report from your CRM and visualize your current pipeline by number of deals and total revenue per stage. Does it actually look like a funnel? If it doesn’t, dig deeper. Are your stages aligned with your buyer’s journey? Are reps stuck in certain stages too long? This snapshot identifies gaps and opportunities for stage redefinition or activity refinement.

Summary

Whether managing a sales team or closing deals yourself, this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales gives you the blueprint to diagnose and repair a misaligned funnel. Sean and Kevin combine humor, hard truths, and highly actionable insights to help you bring structure and sanity back to your sales process. If you’re ready to create a pipeline that reflects how buyers buy—and helps your team win more deals—this episode is a must-listen.

🎧 Listen now and take the first step in fixing your funnel for good.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As the first quarter comes to a close, sales leaders and professionals must assess their performance and gear up for the challenges and opportunities ahead in Q2. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the essential strategies for those ahead of the plan and those struggling to catch up. From refining your sales process to maximizing customer relationships, this discussion has insights to help you dominate your numbers in the coming months.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • The Reality of Q1 Performance and the Need for Urgency (00:00:31)
    • Why waiting until Q2 to fix Q1 is too late, and how to position yourself for success early in the year.
  • Strategies for Those Ahead of Plan (00:01:00)
    • How to maintain momentum, close key deals, and ensure a strong Q4 while staying ahead of quota.
  • Critical Steps for Those Behind on Quota (00:04:01)
    • Conducting a win-loss analysis, diagnosing deal flow issues, and fine-tuning lead generation strategies.
  • The Importance of CRM Usage and Sales Efficiency (00:06:35)
    • How sales leaders and reps can maximize their CRM to drive efficiency and uncover missed opportunities.
  • Pricing Strategies and Customer Engagement (00:09:13)
    • Why now is the time to strengthen relationships with your top customers and confidently raise prices to improve margins?

Key Quotes:

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:01:32): “You have a chance at greatness if you are even or ahead at the end of Q1. Now’s the time to double down and make sure you close deals that will set you up for an incredible year.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:05:00): “Everyone has a leads problem. Either you don’t have enough, they’re not the right fit, or you’re not communicating your value effectively. That’s where the real focus should be.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:11:00): “Your best customers likely don’t know you as well as you think. Strengthening those relationships can open up new revenue streams and prevent you from falling behind.”

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

Perform a rapid win-loss analysis on your Q1 deals. If you’re ahead, identify the behaviors and strategies that got you there and double down. If you’re behind, determine whether the issue is a lack of quality leads, poor messaging, or weak follow-through. Adjust your sales approach immediately so you can enter Q2 with a clear plan to recover lost ground.

Summary:

Whether you’re ahead of plan, right on track, or scrambling to catch up, the strategies discussed in this episode will help you refine your sales process and make Q2 a success. Sean and Kevin share actionable insights on deal flow, CRM optimization, pricing strategies, and customer engagement that will set you up for a strong year. Don’t let another quarter slip away—tune in now to get ahead, stay ahead, and finish the year on top!

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As a sales leader, are you coaching your team for the long haul, or are you scrambling in the final weeks of the quarter? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the difference between regular season and postseason play—whether in sports or sales. They explore why last-minute Hail Mary strategies can be damaging, how to manage time, and the importance of effective and consistent coaching. With March Madness and The Masters as the backdrop, this conversation is packed with insights to help you refine your sales approach and ensure your team is always in winning form.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Sales Tournament Mentality (00:02:00) – What sales teams can learn from March Madness and The Masters, and why only one team wins while the rest lose.
  • Building a Winning Sales Team (00:03:30) – How business owners can prepare their sales teams to perform under pressure by ensuring the right people are in the right seats.
  • The Role of Sales Coaching (00:05:00) – Why sales leaders must incorporate skills development into every sales meeting instead of just reviewing the pipeline.
  • The Pitfalls of End-of-Quarter Desperation (00:07:50) – How last-minute discounting and rushed deals create long-term problems and train customers to buy at a discount.
  • Mastering Time Management in Sales (00:10:00) – How prioritization and disciplined execution throughout the quarter prevent last-minute chaos and boost consistent performance.

Key Quotes

  • Kevin Lawson (00:07:53): “If you’re behind in sales right now, don’t throw Hail Marys. Don’t discount. You’re teaching your prospects to wait until the end of the quarter for a better deal—and that’s a losing game.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:13:00): “You have one thing in sales you can never get back: time. If you wasted today, it’s gone forever. You can’t go back and fix it.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:09:00): “Salespeople with commission breath stink. If your only focus is closing the deal before Friday, your prospects will smell it a mile away—and that’s not how you build relationships.”

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Develop a Five-Week Sales Training Plan – Sales leaders should map out the next five sales meetings, dedicating at least five minutes to skills development in each session. Focus on topics such as pipeline progression, prospect qualification, and closing techniques. Training should not be an afterthought—it should be a fundamental part of your sales strategy.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Whether you’re a sales leader or a frontline salesperson, this episode is your playbook for maintaining momentum all year long. Avoid the common traps of end-of-quarter desperation, build a disciplined approach to sales training, and master the art of time management. Just like in sports, sales success isn’t about last-minute heroics—it’s about consistent execution.

Tune in now and take your sales game to the next level!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art of sales prospecting using an unusual but powerful analogy—chasing butterflies versus building a garden. Are you tirelessly running after leads or cultivating an environment where ideal prospects naturally come to you? Learn how to create a long-term strategy for consistent revenue growth by positioning your business as the go-to solution for your ideal customers.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • The Butterfly Effect in Sales (00:01:00) – The difference between chasing every lead and strategically attracting the right ones.
  • Building a Sales Garden (00:02:49) – Developing a long-term strategy that consistently nurtures and attracts the best-fit prospects.
  • Marketing & Content Strategy Alignment (00:04:22) – Collaborating with marketing to ensure the right messaging.
  • The Value of Inbound Leads (00:06:11) – Why leads that come through your marketing efforts are often easier to close and more profitable.
  • Tactical Steps for Sales Leaders (00:08:00) – Actionable insights for sales managers to help their teams attract, engage, and convert better.
  • Crafting a Strong Value Proposition (00:10:18) – The foundation of effective lead generation and how to align it with your ideal customer profile.

Key Quotes:

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:01:52): “If you’re hungry for revenue, you’re probably running around chasing butterflies. But if you want sustainable growth, you need to create an environment where prospects naturally come to you.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:03:55): “Sales leaders, think about your team—have you equipped them with butterfly nets, or have you taught them how to build a garden?”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:06:44): “The best prospects aren’t the ones you chase—they’re the ones who find their way to your garden because you’ve built something valuable for them.”

Additional Resources:

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

If you rely solely on outbound prospecting, evaluate your value proposition and content strategy today. Align your marketing and sales teams to ensure your messaging is clear, consistent, and tailored to your ideal buyer. Identify gaps in your digital presence and take the first step toward creating a sales garden that nurtures and attracts the right leads.

Final Thoughts:

Sales is more than just chasing down deals—it’s creating an ecosystem where prospects feel drawn to your expertise, insights, and solutions. In this episode, Sean and Kevin explain shifting from frantic outbound prospecting to a methodical approach that fosters sustainable revenue growth. Whether you’re a sales leader or an individual contributor, you’ll walk away with practical steps to build your high-converting sales garden.

Tune in now and take your sales strategy to the next level!

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Measuring Marketing Success with Amy Connor of CMO OnLoan – E126

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Measuring Marketing Success with Amy Connor of CMO OnLoan – E126

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Welcome back to another episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey! This week, we’re diving deep into measuring marketing effectiveness with special guest Amy Connor, founder of CMO OnLoan. If you’ve ever struggled to connect marketing strategies to real business results, this episode is for you. Grab your marketing colleague and tune in—understanding what’s working (and what’s not) in your marketing is the key to driving sales growth.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • The Importance of Measuring Marketing Performance (01:08)
    Many companies don’t effectively track their marketing impact. Amy shares how focusing on key metrics—without overwhelming dashboards—can create a direct path to success.
  • Sales and Marketing Must Be Aligned (02:09)
    Customers don’t see marketing and sales as separate—they see one company. Amy explains why integrating both functions is crucial for a seamless customer journey.
  • Why Vanity Metrics Don’t Matter (02:55)
    Impressions, clicks, and leads may look impressive, but if they don’t translate to business results, they don’t matter. Learn how to focus on meaningful data that connects to revenue.
  • The Billboard Advertising Myth (03:12)
    Can a billboard drive B2B sales? Amy and Sean discuss the realities of traditional advertising and why small businesses should think critically about marketing spend.
  • Aligning Sales Messaging with Marketing Content (05:57)
    Sales teams shouldn’t be the only ones communicating key messages. Amy shares why marketing content must reinforce what salespeople say to build trust and shorten sales cycles.
  • Tactical vs. Strategic Marketing – What’s the Right Balance? (08:29)
    Should your marketing focus on brand awareness or immediate sales action? Amy explains the difference and how to measure each effectively.

Key Quotes:

Amy Connor: “Marketing and sales are part of the customer’s journey in a united way. The customer doesn’t see ‘marketing did this and sales did that’—they see the company as a whole.” (01:45)

Sean O’Shaughnessey: “Salespeople start at a disadvantage because buyers inherently don’t trust them. That’s why marketing must reinforce their message to build credibility.” (05:40)

Kevin Lawson: “Up to 70% of the buyer’s journey happens before they talk to sales. If marketing isn’t working ahead of time, you’re already losing.” (07:52)

Additional Resources:

  • Visit CMO OnLoan for free marketing resources: www.cmo-onloan.com
  • Connect with Amy Connor on LinkedIn: Amy Connor LinkedIn
  • Listen to the first episode featuring Amy: Last Week’s Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-connor-discusses-salespeople-vs-lead-generation/id1668686029?i=1000693738159

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

Audit Your Marketing Metrics
Take 30 minutes this week to assess what marketing data your company is tracking. Are you focusing on impressions and clicks or lead conversion and revenue impact? Identify one metric that directly connects marketing activity to business growth and make it your priority.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Marketing is more than just branding—it’s a revenue-driving function. In this conversation, Amy Connor unpacks how B2B companies can measure what truly matters, align sales and marketing, and ensure every dollar spent on marketing contributes to the bottom line. If you want your marketing efforts to drive real sales results, don’t miss this insightful discussion. Tune in now!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

How do you measure the success of your sales and marketing efforts? If you’ve ever wondered whether your marketing dollars are driving revenue or if your sales team is making the most of their leads, this episode is for you. 

Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Amy Connor, founder of CMO on Loan, to discuss how marketing and sales should work together for growth. Amy brings her extensive experience from Procter & Gamble, Luxottica, and other top brands to help mid-market companies build marketing confidence, align with sales, and drive measurable results.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Basketball Analogy: Why Tracking Performance Matters (~00:01:00)
    • Just like basketball teams analyze stats post-game, businesses need to measure marketing and sales effectiveness.
  • How to Decide Between Investing in Sales or Marketing (~00:04:30)
    • Business owners often wonder whether they should put more resources into sales teams or marketing initiatives—Amy breaks it down.
  • Aligning Marketing and Sales for Lead Generation (~00:07:30)
    • Should salespeople generate their own leads, or is there a more efficient way to bring prospects to the table?
  • The Role of a Fractional CMO: How Businesses Can Engage Marketing Leadership (~00:11:20)
    • Amy explains how a fractional CMO helps companies make smarter marketing decisions without the full-time executive cost.
  • A Sneak Peek into Next Week: Measuring Marketing Effectiveness (~00:13:52)
    • Tune in next week as Amy shares the tools and strategies that help businesses track what’s working and what’s not.

Key Quotes

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (~00:06:41):
    “So many of my clients assume that salespeople will find their own leads, but is that really the best use of their time?”
  • Amy Connor (~00:07:51):
    “Your sales team is often being asked to do too much. Something will suffer if they have to hunt for leads and nurture accounts at the same time.”
  • Kevin Lawson (~00:11:00):
    “When companies say, ‘I need more sales,’ what they often mean is, ‘I need more leads.’ But are they solving the right problem?”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Evaluate your marketing and sales alignment. Take a step back and ask:

  • Do I have a clear process for tracking where leads come from and how they convert?
  • Is my sales team spending too much time prospecting instead of closing deals?
  • Would marketing support help my business generate higher-quality leads?

If you’re not sure, it may be time to review your funnel and define a strategy that ensures sales and marketing work together—not in silos.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

This episode is a must-listen for business owners, sales leaders, and marketing professionals looking to make smarter investments in growth. Amy Connor shares real-world insights on how marketing can drive measurable business results and how sales and marketing can function as a united force. Plus, next week’s episode will dive even deeper into how to measure marketing effectiveness, so don’t miss it!

🎧 Download now and take the first step toward a more effective marketing and sales strategy!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You Can’t Ignore It – E124

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You Can’t Ignore It – E124

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming the sales industry, but does that mean salespeople are becoming obsolete? Absolutely not! In this high-energy episode, Kevin and Sean debunk the myth that AI will replace sales professionals. Instead, they reveal how AI can be a game-changing tool for sales success.

From using AI to refine communication to automating time-consuming tasks, this episode is packed with insights on how AI can help sales leaders and reps work smarter, sell better, and stay ahead of the competition. Tune in to discover practical ways to leverage AI, improve efficiency, and dominate your market.

Key Topics Discussed

🔹 Will AI Replace Salespeople? – The truth about AI’s role in sales and why your job isn’t at risk—but your quota might be. (00:00:45)

🔹 The Evolution of Sales Tools – A nostalgic (and hilarious) look at how tools have always changed work processes—remember manual garage doors and TV dials? (00:02:21)

🔹 AI for Writing & Communication – How tools like Grammarly can make your emails, proposals, and presentations sharper, clearer, and more professional. (00:04:00)

🔹 Boosting Productivity with AI – From auto-generating customized sales presentations to intelligent scheduling, AI can free up time for what matters most: selling. (00:06:01)

🔹 The AI-Powered CRM – If your CRM doesn’t have AI integration or a plan for it, it’s time to rethink your strategy. A modern CRM is essential for competitive sales teams. (00:12:00)

Key Quotes

🗣️ Sean O’Shaughnessey: “You are not going to be replaced by AI. You’re going to be replaced by a salesperson using AI.” (00:01:00)

🗣️ Kevin Lawson: “AI isn’t here to take your job—it’s here to make you a better salesperson. Weaponize your tools and sharpen your axe.” (00:07:33)

🗣️ Sean O’Shaughnessey: “Being afraid of AI is like being afraid of Microsoft Word instead of a typewriter.” (00:10:18)

Additional Resources

🔗 Grammarly – AI-powered writing assistant for better emails, proposals, and reports.

🔗 Canva – AI-enhanced design tool for creating presentations and marketing materials in seconds.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

🚀 Start Using AI Today! Don’t wait—integrate AI into your daily sales routine now. Whether it’s improving your writing with Grammarly, using AI for scheduling, or leveraging AI-powered CRM features, pick one AI tool and start experimenting. The sooner you adopt AI, the further ahead you’ll be.

Final Thoughts

AI isn’t a threat—it’s an opportunity. The best salespeople will be the ones who embrace AI to work smarter, sell more efficiently, and build stronger customer relationships. Want to future-proof your sales career? It starts here.

👉 Hit play now and learn how AI can be your competitive advantage in sales!