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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

John Spencer Explains Scaling Sales Teams- Turning A-Player Performance into Company-Wide Success

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with John Spencer, a seasoned sales leader and founder of Clear Direction Sales Development. Together, they explore the crucial differences between growth and scale, particularly in organizations leaning too heavily on a superstar seller. If you’re leading a sales organization that relies on one standout performer—or trying to replicate success across your sales team—this is a must-listen conversation… John Spencer Explains Scaling Sales Teams- Turning A-Player Performance into Company-Wide Success

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

As Q2 kicks into full gear, it’s time to pause and reflect—are you ahead, on pace, or falling behind on your sales targets? In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey unpack one of a sales leader’s most crucial yet often overlooked responsibilities: knowing your numbers. With equal parts practical advice and strategic vision, this conversation walks you through the foundational metrics every sales leader should track—customer… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome business intermediary Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway. Tom brings decades of experience in buying, selling, and valuing businesses across the Midwest. The conversation dives deep into what truly drives the value of a company—and how sales leaders and business owners alike can prepare their organizations for a future transition. Whether you’re a business owner considering a sale or… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this episode, the tall guys dive deep into one of the most critical yet commonly broken elements in any sales organization: the sales funnel. Whether you’re stuck with a clunky three-stage process that tells you nothing or overwhelmed with 35 micro-stages that only confuse your reps, Sean and Kevin offer a practical guide to rethinking and rebuilding your pipeline… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

As the first quarter comes to a close, sales leaders and professionals must assess their performance and gear up for the challenges and opportunities ahead in Q2. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the essential strategies for those ahead of the plan and those struggling to catch up. From refining your sales process to maximizing customer relationships, this discussion has insights to help you dominate… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

As a sales leader, are you coaching your team for the long haul, or are you scrambling in the final weeks of the quarter? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the difference between regular season and postseason play—whether in sports or sales. They explore why last-minute Hail Mary strategies can be damaging, how to manage time, and the importance of effective and consistent coaching. With… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art of sales prospecting using an unusual but powerful analogy—chasing butterflies versus building a garden. Are you tirelessly running after leads or cultivating an environment where ideal prospects naturally come to you? Learn how to create a long-term strategy for consistent revenue growth by positioning your business as the go-to solution for your ideal customers. Key Topics Discussed:… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

How do you measure the success of your sales and marketing efforts? If you’ve ever wondered whether your marketing dollars are driving revenue or if your sales team is making the most of their leads, this episode is for you.  Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Amy Connor, founder of CMO on Loan, to discuss how marketing and sales should work together for growth. Amy brings her extensive experience from Procter & Gamble,… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You Can’t Ignore It – E124

Artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming the sales industry, but does that mean salespeople are becoming obsolete? Absolutely not! In this high-energy episode, Kevin and Sean debunk the myth that AI will replace sales professionals. Instead, they reveal how AI can be a game-changing tool for sales success. From using AI to refine communication to automating time-consuming tasks, this episode is packed with insights on how AI can help sales leaders and reps work smarter, sell… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You Can’t Ignore It – E124

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Time Management: Essential Strategies for Sales Managers – E123

Time is the most valuable resource for any professional, but for sales managers, it is the linchpin of success. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the critical strategies for effective time management as a sales leader. Whether you’re a new sales manager, an aspiring leader, or a business owner overseeing a sales team, this discussion is packed with insights to help you optimize your calendar,… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Time Management: Essential Strategies for Sales Managers – E123