Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – No Leads, No Problem: Sales Strategies to Reignite Momentum – Episode 148

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – No Leads, No Problem: Sales Strategies to Reignite Momentum – Episode 148

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

When your sales pipeline hits a wall—or worse, goes completely flat—it can feel like you’re spinning your wheels. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into what to do when your sales team is facing a revenue generation stall. This is a fast-paced, actionable conversation focused entirely on what sales leaders can do to recharge a stalled pipeline—without relying on marketing. Whether you’re in B2B tech, manufacturing, or professional services, this episode will equip you with practical, high-impact tactics to get your sales process moving forward again.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The “Flat Tire” Sales Pipeline Analogy (00:00)
    Why pipelines go flat—even after big wins—and how leaders can reframe the issue.
  • The Power of Referrals and Networking (03:00)
    Sean’s method for turning satisfied customers into a referral engine—complete with a ready-to-send intro letter.
  • Expanding Through Customer Proximity and Chambers of Commerce (05:00)
    Leveraging existing accounts and local business events to rapidly refill the funnel.
  • Using PESTEL for Industry-Relevant Messaging (07:00)
    Kevin shares a practical framework for creating insightful sales conversations that show business acumen and relevance.
  • Requalifying Open Deals with the Right Buyers (08:00)
    How to use sales processes and CRMs to validate opportunities—and why “access to power” is non-negotiable.
  • Getting to the Economic Buyer—and Asking for the Order (11:00)
    A breakdown of how to engage decision-makers, handle their buying criteria, and close with confidence.

Key Quotes

  • “I don’t care what you sell—coolants, software, promotional gear—if you’re not prospecting today, your pipeline will let you down tomorrow.”
    — Sean O’Shaughnessey (01:07)
  • “We’re not a demo organization. If the demo alone sold your product, you wouldn’t need a salesperson.”
    — Kevin Lawson (10:00)
  • “If your salespeople can’t tell you who the economic buyer is, it’s time for you to get in the car and go meet them yourself.”
    — Sean O’Shaughnessey (12:00)

Additional Resources Mentioned

  • B2B Sales Lab Community – A peer-led space for sales professionals and leaders to grow, collaborate, and share sales strategies. (Free 90-day trial with credit card to keep out spammers.) www.b2b-sales-lab.com
  • PESTEL Framework – A structured approach for bringing value to sales conversations by focusing on Political, Economic, Social, Technological, Environmental, and Legal issues impacting buyers.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Requalify Every Deal in Your Pipeline This Week

Sales leaders: pull your team into a pipeline review and ask a simple, high-stakes question about every open opportunity—“If you walked in with a PO today, could your contact sign it?” If the answer is “no,” that deal is not qualified. Use this exercise to reinforce accountability, focus on real economic buyers, and prioritize deals that can convert into revenue. Don’t just forecast—verify.

Why You Should Listen Now

If you’ve ever looked at your pipeline and felt that creeping sense of panic, this episode is your emergency roadside kit. Sean and Kevin don’t waste time with fluff—they deliver real sales strategies rooted in decades of experience with sales management, business acumen, and revenue generation. From value selling tactics to reengaging your best customers, this conversation is loaded with sales success insights you can implement today. Plug in, take notes, and start patching your pipeline with purpose.

Level Up Your Sales Prospecting with Advanced Research Techniques

Level Up Your Sales Prospecting with Advanced Research Techniques

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

A shoutout to Chris Spanier and Episode #85 of the Practical, Actionable Marketing Podcast

Sales prospecting has always been a grind. What if you could cut your research time in half and dramatically improve your outreach results?

In Episode #85 of the Practical, Actionable Marketing podcast, host Chris Spanier delivers a masterclass on how to do just that. Titled “Advanced Prospecting Research Tools,” the episode is packed with time-saving techniques and tools that help sales professionals build sharper prospect profiles faster.

As someone with over four decades in sales and sales management, I believe this kind of tactical insight makes a difference. If you haven’t already, listen to the episode. Then, come back here for a quick breakdown of what Chris covered—plus a few of my thoughts.

Why Prospect Research Matters More Than Ever

In a market saturated with sales messages, relevance is your only competitive advantage. The days of blasting generic emails to massive lists are over. Today, the winners are the ones who personalize their outreach with precision—and that begins with better research.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this episode, the tall guys dive deep into one of the most critical yet commonly broken elements in any sales organization: the sales funnel. Whether you’re stuck with a clunky three-stage process that tells you nothing or overwhelmed with 35 micro-stages that only confuse your reps, Sean and Kevin offer a practical guide to rethinking and rebuilding your pipeline strategy. Packed with metaphors (yes, even superhero ones) and sharp analysis, this episode will leave you inspired to take a hard look at your funnel—and finally fix it.


Key Topics Discussed

  • Why Most Sales Funnels Are Broken (00:00:45)
    Sean unpacks the common pitfalls in how companies define and manage their sales stages, including oversimplified or overly complex CRM setups.
  • Defining Sales Stages Based on the Buyer Journey (00:04:30)
    Kevin emphasizes the need to align your sales stages with how buyers actually buy—not how your company wants to sell.
  • How Many Sales Stages Are Too Many? (00:05:00)
    The guys explore the delicate balance between not enough insight and too much complexity in stage design.
  • The Case for Multiple Pipelines (00:08:00)
    When does it make sense to separate budgetary planning pipelines from active sales discussions? Kevin and Sean explain.
  • What a Healthy Funnel Actually Looks Like (00:10:45)
    Sean introduces a visual and mathematical approach to evaluating whether your funnel is properly shaped—and what to do if it’s not.


Key Quotes

“The Avengers became a team, not just Iron Man. You need to have a team. Even superhero salespeople like to have support.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:02:50)

“Fixing the funnel starts visually. Does it fit well on one sheet of paper? If not, you’ve already lost the battle for clarity.”
— Kevin Lawson (00:04:45)

“Stages should be built to qualify someone into the next step—not just to log an activity. Every transition should represent progress, not busyness.”
— Kevin Lawson (00:06:15)

“If your pipeline doesn’t look like a funnel, then you’re either wasting time or losing deals. Probably both.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:12:20)

Additional Resources Referenced

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Audit Your Sales Funnel for Shape and Stage Effectiveness
Pull a report from your CRM and visualize your current pipeline by number of deals and total revenue per stage. Does it actually look like a funnel? If it doesn’t, dig deeper. Are your stages aligned with your buyer’s journey? Are reps stuck in certain stages too long? This snapshot identifies gaps and opportunities for stage redefinition or activity refinement.

Summary

Whether managing a sales team or closing deals yourself, this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales gives you the blueprint to diagnose and repair a misaligned funnel. Sean and Kevin combine humor, hard truths, and highly actionable insights to help you bring structure and sanity back to your sales process. If you’re ready to create a pipeline that reflects how buyers buy—and helps your team win more deals—this episode is a must-listen.

🎧 Listen now and take the first step in fixing your funnel for good.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

How do you measure the success of your sales and marketing efforts? If you’ve ever wondered whether your marketing dollars are driving revenue or if your sales team is making the most of their leads, this episode is for you. 

Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Amy Connor, founder of CMO on Loan, to discuss how marketing and sales should work together for growth. Amy brings her extensive experience from Procter & Gamble, Luxottica, and other top brands to help mid-market companies build marketing confidence, align with sales, and drive measurable results.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Basketball Analogy: Why Tracking Performance Matters (~00:01:00)
    • Just like basketball teams analyze stats post-game, businesses need to measure marketing and sales effectiveness.
  • How to Decide Between Investing in Sales or Marketing (~00:04:30)
    • Business owners often wonder whether they should put more resources into sales teams or marketing initiatives—Amy breaks it down.
  • Aligning Marketing and Sales for Lead Generation (~00:07:30)
    • Should salespeople generate their own leads, or is there a more efficient way to bring prospects to the table?
  • The Role of a Fractional CMO: How Businesses Can Engage Marketing Leadership (~00:11:20)
    • Amy explains how a fractional CMO helps companies make smarter marketing decisions without the full-time executive cost.
  • A Sneak Peek into Next Week: Measuring Marketing Effectiveness (~00:13:52)
    • Tune in next week as Amy shares the tools and strategies that help businesses track what’s working and what’s not.

Key Quotes

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (~00:06:41):
    “So many of my clients assume that salespeople will find their own leads, but is that really the best use of their time?”
  • Amy Connor (~00:07:51):
    “Your sales team is often being asked to do too much. Something will suffer if they have to hunt for leads and nurture accounts at the same time.”
  • Kevin Lawson (~00:11:00):
    “When companies say, ‘I need more sales,’ what they often mean is, ‘I need more leads.’ But are they solving the right problem?”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Evaluate your marketing and sales alignment. Take a step back and ask:

  • Do I have a clear process for tracking where leads come from and how they convert?
  • Is my sales team spending too much time prospecting instead of closing deals?
  • Would marketing support help my business generate higher-quality leads?

If you’re not sure, it may be time to review your funnel and define a strategy that ensures sales and marketing work together—not in silos.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

This episode is a must-listen for business owners, sales leaders, and marketing professionals looking to make smarter investments in growth. Amy Connor shares real-world insights on how marketing can drive measurable business results and how sales and marketing can function as a united force. Plus, next week’s episode will dive even deeper into how to measure marketing effectiveness, so don’t miss it!

🎧 Download now and take the first step toward a more effective marketing and sales strategy!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Slumps & Hot Streaks: How to Build a Predictable Pipeline – E122

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Slumps & Hot Streaks: How to Build a Predictable Pipeline – E122

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Sales is a game of ups and downs, but what separates top performers from the rest is their ability to keep the funnel full—even when they’re closing deals. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art and science of building a consistent pipeline. They discuss strategic approaches to prospecting, leveraging data tools, and the importance of curiosity in sales conversations. Whether you’re starting fresh in Q1 or looking to level up your approach, this episode is packed with actionable insights to keep your sales engine running smoothly.

Key Topics Discussed

🔹 The Sales Roller Coaster – Why salespeople experience cycles of high revenue followed by dry spells and how to smooth out the dips. (00:01:15)

🔹 The First Step: Re-engage Past Clients – Why checking in with existing customers is the easiest way to generate immediate opportunities. (00:02:23)

🔹 Using Free Data Resources to Prospect – How Data Axle and Apollo.io can help salespeople generate lists of high-potential prospects at no cost. (00:03:00)

🔹 Turning Leads Into Prospects – The difference between having a database of names and actually engaging with real sales opportunities. (00:05:31)

🔹 The Power of Networking and Curiosity – How to leverage your network to gain insights about a company before reaching out to decision-makers. (00:10:39)

🔹 Climbing the Ladder to the Decision-Maker – Why you shouldn’t start at the top and how building relationships within an organization can earn you a trusted introduction. (00:14:37)

Key Quotes

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on avoiding the sales roller coaster:
“If I go back to my drain-the-swamp analogy, you gotta put water back in the swamp, you gotta let it rain, gotta make it rain.” (00:02:02)

💬 Kevin Lawson on the importance of planning:
“Too often, salespeople stop after the second or third introduction. Timing is everything—keep going, keep networking, and keep qualifying your ideal client profile.” (00:12:39)

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on reaching executives:
“You cannot send an email to the CEO and expect it to be read. You are just a salesperson. If you want to sell to the top, you need a referral—and probably from someone lower in the organization.” (00:14:37)

Additional Resources

📌 Data Axle – A powerful business database often available through public libraries. Check with your local library for free access.

📌 Apollo.io – A free tool offering up to 10,000 business contacts per month to help with prospecting.

📌 Lighthouse Sales Advisors Coaching – Kevin Lawson offers 1:1 coaching to help sales professionals refine their strategies. Learn more here.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Take 30 minutes this week to evaluate your sales pipeline using the “circle exercise.”

  1. Draw a circle and estimate what percentage of your revenue will come from existing clients vs. new clients.
  2. Identify how many new deals you need to hit your quota.
  3. Rank your existing leads based on fit and potential.
  4. Develop a networking plan to move from a name on a list to an engaged prospect.

Doing this exercise will give you clarity on where to focus your efforts and how to strategically fill your pipeline.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Struggling with an empty pipeline after closing strong last year? You’re not alone. In this fast-paced, insight-packed episode, Kevin and Sean break down the fundamental strategies that separate high-performing salespeople from those stuck on the revenue roller coaster. Whether you’re looking for free prospecting tools, better ways to approach networking, or a foolproof plan to keep your sales funnel full, this episode delivers practical tactics you can apply immediately.

🎧 Tune in now and take control of your sales pipeline!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Death of Cold Calling and the Rise of Relationship Selling – E119

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Death of Cold Calling and the Rise of Relationship Selling – E119

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Cold calling is dead—or so claims our guest, Ben Victorica, in this thought-provoking Two Tall Guys Talking Sales episode. Hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep with Ben into the challenges of modern sales pipelines and explore why traditional outreach methods are no longer effective. Together, they uncover how relationship selling, fueled by emotional intelligence and strategic connections, is reshaping the future of sales. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with actionable insights you can’t afford to miss.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Why Cold Calling is Ineffective Today
    Ben discusses the inefficiency of cold outreach in the modern era, citing Bank of America’s 2021 decision to ban cold calling as a pivotal moment in sales strategy. (Approx. 00:01:00)
  • The Economics of Cold Outreach vs. Relationship Selling
    Sean explains the hidden costs of cold calling, emphasizing the expensive hourly rate of quota-bearing sales reps and its low ROI. (Approx. 00:02:20)
  • Leveraging LinkedIn for Strategic Connections
    Ben provides a practical, step-by-step guide to mining LinkedIn connections for warm referrals, using your network intelligently without costly tools. (Approx. 00:05:35)
  • The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Modern Sales
    Kevin and Ben discuss how sales professionals can use emotional intelligence and relationship intelligence tools to identify and nurture stronger business relationships. (Approx. 00:10:45)
  • Maximizing Relationship Capital with Technology
    Ben introduces KnowledgeNet, a tool that helps sales teams unlock and scale their relationship capital to drive business growth. (Approx. 00:12:00)

Key Quotes

  • Kevin Lawson:
    “Top of funnel cold outreach with no relationship is nearly impossible—it’s a cost line on any P&L.” (Approx. 00:04:48)
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey:
    “If you hand someone a list of 100 people you’d like an introduction to, you’ll get zero. But ask for five or ten, and you’ll get meaningful connections.” (Approx. 00:07:45)
  • Ben Victorica:
    “Cold calling is dead. Relationship selling instead.” (Approx. 00:01:49)

Additional Resources Mentioned

  • KnowledgeNet.ai: A powerful tool to uncover and leverage relationship capital within your organization. Visit KnowledgeNet
  • Wall Street Journal 2021 Article: Referenced by Ben regarding Bank of America’s decision to ban cold calling – https://www.wsj.com/articles/bank-of-americas-merrill-lynch-to-ban-trainee-brokers-from-making-cold-calls-11621850400.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Use LinkedIn as a referral engine.
List key LinkedIn connections that align with your ideal customer profile. Then, approach your strongest network contacts—your “super connectors”—with a curated list of five to ten potential introductions. Respect their time and include a pre-written email template to make the referral process seamless.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

The sales landscape has shifted, and the old playbook of cold calling no longer delivers results. This episode offers a fresh perspective on building pipelines using strategic relationships and modern tools like KnowledgeNet. Packed with real-world advice from Kevin, Sean, and Ben, this conversation will inspire you to rethink your sales approach. Ready to ditch outdated tactics and embrace the future of selling? Tune in now to gain the edge you need.

Boosting Business Performance: Integrating Sales and Marketing Efforts

Boosting Business Performance: Integrating Sales and Marketing Efforts

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

The symbiotic relationship between sales and marketing is more crucial than ever. This dynamic duo drives the revenue generation engine, which is especially crucial when businesses are keen to set a positive trajectory.

Marketing’s influence cannot be understated. It often shapes the business’s success months in advance. Strategies implemented by marketing today can significantly impact revenue streams later in the year. Therefore, it’s essential for sales and marketing to align and integrate their processes to ensure that marketing efforts translate into tangible sales results.

In this context, sales enablement emerges as a key strategy, bridging marketing initiatives and sales execution. By segmenting the customer journey into three categories—leads, prospects, and customers—both teams can tailor their strategies to effectively move individuals through the sales funnel. Marketing focuses on generating awareness and attracting leads, while sales teams convert these leads into qualified prospects and, ultimately, loyal customers.

The conversation around leads often circles back to the quality of leads generated by marketing and the clarity with which sales teams define what constitutes a ‘good lead.’ This mutual understanding and cooperative process streamline efforts and ensure that marketing is not just generating leads but the right leads.

Moreover, discussing the effectiveness versus efficiency in marketing strategies can significantly refine the targeting process. Marketing must be efficient and effective, emphasizing the right messaging and content that resonates with the ideal client profile (ICP). This approach ensures that the prospects entering the sales pipeline are more likely to convert as they align closely with the business’s target demographic.

A noteworthy strategy for enhancing this alignment is developing a concise value selling proposition. This tool aids marketing teams in crafting messages that encapsulate what the business does in a clear, compelling manner, which sales teams can then leverage to engage and convert leads effectively.

For smaller businesses or those without extensive in-house marketing teams, sales leadership can strategically define and refine marketing strategies. Questions like “Why do people pay us?” or “What differentiates us from our competition?” can ignite discussions pinpointing the business’s core value. Engaging directly with customers to understand why they chose and continue to choose your company provides invaluable insights that can shape future marketing and sales strategies.

Ultimately, the integration of sales and marketing is not merely about aligning goals but about creating a cohesive strategy that utilizes the strengths of each to optimize the customer journey. Whether it involves developing compelling content that speaks directly to the needs of potential clients or refining the sales process to highlight the value over features, each element is crucial in building a robust sales and marketing framework that attracts and retains customers.

For businesses looking to deepen their understanding of this integral relationship, embracing discussions around sales enablement, value proposition, and customer feedback is essential. These elements are not just isolated tactics but parts of a comprehensive approach that can dramatically improve how businesses attract and maintain their customer base, ensuring sustained growth and success.

Company leaders can start implementing some of these topics today!

  • Evaluate Your Current Sales and Marketing Alignment: Take the time today to review how your sales and marketing teams are currently aligned. Identify any gaps in communication or process and schedule a meeting to discuss these findings with both teams. This will help set the stage for improved collaboration and efficiency.
  • Define Your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP): If you haven’t already, work on defining or refining your ICP. This involves gathering insights from your sales and marketing teams to ensure the profile accurately reflects the customers most likely to buy and benefit from your product or service. This alignment is critical for targeting and attracting the right leads.
  • Develop a Concise Value Proposition: Collaborate with key stakeholders from both teams to craft a clear, compelling value proposition that communicates the unique benefits of your offerings. This should be a concise statement that potential customers can easily communicate and understand, guiding your marketing content and sales pitches.
  • Solicit Customer Feedback: Contact a select group of new and long-term customers to gather feedback on why they chose your company and why they stay. Use this feedback to adjust your sales strategies and marketing messages, ensuring they resonate deeply with your target audience and reflect the actual value you provide.
Crafting a Sales Process Flowchart: Visualize the stages in your sales process for consistency – Driving New Sales: Transforming Small Businesses into Sales Powerhouses – Episode 9

Crafting a Sales Process Flowchart: Visualize the stages in your sales process for consistency – Driving New Sales: Transforming Small Businesses into Sales Powerhouses – Episode 9

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Welcome to “Driving New Sales: Transforming Small Businesses into Sales Powerhouses,” the essential podcast for B2B sales professionals, managers, and CEOs of companies aiming for revenue growth. In today’s episode, we’re diving into the core of any thriving sales organization: the Sales Process Flowchart. Guided by Sean O’Shaughnessey, a veteran in sales strategy, we’ll explore how to craft and refine your sales process for peak efficiency and effectiveness.

Our esteemed sponsor, Kevin Lawson of Lighthouse Sales Advisors and Sales Xceleration, is our sponsor for this episode. Kevin offers unparalleled sales leadership solutions for small businesses, focusing on navigating sales growth challenges and scaling up operations through his extensive experience. Kevin’s fractional consultancy is the answer for those looking for expert guidance in sales team development without the commitment of a full-time executive.

Contact Kevin:
Email: Kevin@lighthousesalesadvisors.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kwlawson

Key Topics Discussed

  • Blueprint of Success: Discover the importance of having a well-defined Sales Process Flowchart as your guide through the sales journey.
  • Stages of the Sales Process: Sean breaks down each stage of the sales process, from prospecting to nurturing long-term relationships.
  • Customizing Your Sales Approach: Learn the significance of tailoring your sales process to fit your unique business model and industry requirements.
  • Visualizing the Sales Funnel: An exploration of how visualizing your sales funnel can identify potential leaks and optimize the sales journey.
  • Leveraging Technology: Insight into how automation tools and CRM systems can enhance your sales process and free up your team to focus on selling.
  • The Dynamic Nature of Sales Processes: Emphasizing the importance of continuous feedback and adaptation to keep your sales process relevant and effective.

Key Quotes

  • “Success doesn’t come from random acts of effort. It requires a blueprint, a master plan that orchestrates every step of the sales journey.”
  • “Imagine your Sales Process Flowchart as the architectural plan for a skyscraper. Without it, you’re merely stacking bricks without knowing how high they should go.”
  • “Technology is the wind beneath our sales team’s wings, freeing them up to do what they do best—sell.”

Additional Resources

  • Sales Management Association Study: Highlights the performance impact of using a formal sales process.
  • Harvard Business Review Study: Shows a significant revenue increase for businesses with a standardized sales process.

Action Items You Can Do Today

  • Develop a Visual Sales Process Flowchart: Start with a simple outline and refine it to suit your team’s needs.
  • Solicit Feedback from Your Sales Team: Use their frontline insights to improve your sales process.
  • Customize Your Approach: Ensure your sales stages align with your business model for increased efficiency.
  • Invest in Training and Technology: Equip your team with the necessary knowledge and tools to excel.
  • Embrace Continuous Improvement: Regularly update your sales process based on feedback and changing market conditions.

Today’s episode with Sean O’Shaughnessey has armed you with the knowledge to construct a Sales Process Flowchart that is the backbone of a successful sales strategy. Implementing the discussed actionable strategies will refine your sales process, making it a powerful engine for business growth. Stay tuned for more insightful episodes to further empower your journey to becoming a sales powerhouse.

Contact Information

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey: Email – Sean@NewSales.Expert

For more expert advice on transforming your sales strategies, don’t forget to subscribe to “Driving New Sales: Transforming Small Businesses into Sales Powerhouses.” Join us next time for another deep dive into the strategies that can elevate your sales game. Until then, keep selling smart and forging meaningful connections with your customers.