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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!


Hiring Your First Sales Leader? Build a Sales Machine, Not a Band-Aid

You are ready to hire your first sales leader when you are prepared to buy leverage, not relief. Titles do not grow revenue. A high-impact sales leader creates durable selling capability, reduces owner dependency, and raises standards through coaching, recruiting, and operating cadence. If what you really want is a second version of you to carry the number and keep deals moving, you are hiring a band-aid, and you will pay for it twice.

Most owners make this hire at precisely the wrong moment. The pressure is real, the pipeline feels fragile, and the business is starting to outgrow informal management. So the owner reaches for the obvious move: “We need a sales manager.” The problem is that the role is designed around short-term comfort rather than long-term capacity. The result is a well-paid administrative firefighter who inherits the chaos instead of fixing the system that creates it.

Before you post a job, clarify the objective. Do you want a revenue driver or a capability builder?

A revenue driver is a manager who helps you hit the number by conducting deal inspections, applying forecast pressure, and holding reps accountable. That can be valuable, but it is often a disguised need for personal production. A capability builder is a leader who creates repeatable performance by improving the quality of selling, tightening hiring standards, and building a coaching system that makes average reps better and good reps consistent. That is the role that changes enterprise value.

Here is the hard truth most owners avoid. If you design a role that combines selling and leading, selling will win. Always. When a leader has a quota, the business trains them to prioritize their own deals over the team’s development. They will “help” reps when a deal is in a late-stage, visible phase, then postpone coaching, recruiting, and onboarding because those activities do not pay this month. Over time, the team remains dependent, the pipeline remains uneven, and the owner remains in the middle.

Assessing readiness: leader or band aid

Readiness is not a revenue threshold. It is an operating decision. The question is whether you will let a sales leader lead.

The owner’s trap is hiring a leader while keeping day-to-day control: still running reviews, intervening in pricing, rewriting emails, jumping on calls, and closing important deals. In that environment, the new leader cannot build authority; they become an assistant with a title. You’ll be frustrated they’re “not taking enough off my plate,” while they’re frustrated at not being able to make decisions without you.

If you want a clean test, look for these warning signs:

  • You are still the primary deal closer and default problem solver.
  • You do not believe the company can make the number without your direct involvement.
  • You step into deals because you do not trust the process, the rep, or the forecast.
  • Your coaching is ad hoc, usually when something goes wrong.
  • Recruiting is episodic, triggered by pain, rather than continuous.
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Stop Betting on Superstars: How Operating Standards Turn Sellers into Predictable Producers

Many teams grow, but few truly scale revenue beyond individual hero efforts. That difference changes everything for leaders today and in the future. Growth relies on hustle; scaling depends on repeatability across segments and individuals. Your strategy must reflect that hard truth in practice.

Are you relying on one standout to win deals month after month? That looks strong until risk turns visible and costly. One resignation can cripple momentum and expose brittle systems that you had previously ignored.

Scalable sales replaces heroics with defined, teachable operating rhythms that everyone follows. It turns chaos into predictable pipeline progress and results. It clarifies markets, messages, motions, and measurable expectations for every seller on a weekly basis. It builds leverage into onboarding and coaching for consistency. It protects margins while systematically accelerating win rates and velocity across territories.

The foundation begins with a clear picture of your ideal customer, including any disqualifying factors. Having an accurate Ideal Client Profile (ICP) helps minimize waste and reduce uncertainty in your efforts. Take time to define firmographics, pain points, triggers, and buying behaviors using consistent language based on shared evidence. Understand who cares about these issues and why it matters to them now. Also, identify negative personas to sharpen your focus and qualification processes in marketing and sales. A well-defined ICP can significantly boost your conversion rates and shorten the sales cycle.

Next, turn your ICP into straightforward messaging and discovery frameworks tailored for each stage. Consider what unique problems you solve for your customers. What outcomes are most important to them, and who are the key stakeholders by role and priority?

Build talk tracks that lead buyers, not chase buyers with purpose always. Anchor questions to the business metrics and risks they feel. Teach a qualification that tests mutual commitment and outlines next steps with attached dates. Avoid fluffy demos; design relevant proofs using their data. Process specificity turns B players into consistent producers without copying another personality.

I suggest you establish a practical, stage-based operating rhythm that everyone can easily understand and follow. By sharing clear definitions and expectations, managing the pipeline becomes a consistent and smooth process each week. Define each stage with specific exit criteria—avoiding vague intentions or subjective feelings. For example, discovery is considered complete when stakeholders confirm the consequences and impact, and solution fit is achieved when success criteria and ownership are clearly aligned. The commit stage should be backed by a shared plan with clear dates and assigned owners. During weekly reviews, focus on assessing quality rather than just quantity or activity counts. Ask yourself:

  • Does evidence from buyers’ backstage moves have a direct impact on their purchasing decisions?
  • Are the next steps specific, mutually agreed upon, and already scheduled on both calendars?
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Hiring for Growth: How to Build a Sales Team That Drives Long-Term Success

Building a successful sales team requires more than just filling open seats with available candidates. Company leadership must strategically align its hiring process with business objectives, market needs, and long-term goals. 

Whether you’re a solopreneur transitioning to a team-based approach or a CEO managing a growing sales force, the principles of intentional recruitment and onboarding remain the same. Hiring the right people is an investment in the future of your business.

One of the most common pitfalls in sales hiring is a lack of intentionality. Too often, small businesses hire out of convenience, choosing candidates from their immediate network or taking the first person who seems interested. While this approach may solve an immediate need, it rarely leads to long-term success. 

Hiring a salesperson means selecting someone who can actively drive growth and represent your brand with competence and integrity. The stakes are even higher when you’re working with a lean team; every hire matters, and mediocrity is not an option.

To avoid these missteps, it’s essential to approach hiring with the same rigor you apply to your sales process. Think of recruiting as a parallel to securing a high-value client. Just as you wouldn’t sell your product without qualifying leads or understanding their needs, you shouldn’t hire without a structured process to evaluate candidates. 

Begin by defining what success looks like for the role. What skills and attributes are non-negotiable? What specific outcomes do you expect this person to achieve within their first 90 days? A clear job description and measurable KPIs set the foundation for finding the right fit.

Cultural alignment is another critical factor. Your salespeople are the face of your business to prospects and customers. Their ability to embody your company’s values and mission can make or break the customer experience. A candidate might have a stellar track record, but if their approach clashes with your team’s culture, the partnership is unlikely to succeed. At the same time, skills and experience must align with the specific demands of the role. For instance, if your goal is aggressive market penetration, you need a hunter mentality, someone skilled in building relationships from scratch and closing deals in uncharted territory.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales Management Insights for Growth-Focused Teams – Episode 138

In this week’s episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey are joined by the “Elder Statesman” of fractional sales management: John Lee. With nearly four decades of experience and a deep track record of helping companies hire top-performing sales professionals, John shares a masterclass in sales hiring strategy. Whether you’re scaling from a two-person team to ten or trying to avoid costly hiring mistakes, this episode delivers practical, field-tested advice… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales Management Insights for Growth-Focused Teams – Episode 138

Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future: Insights for CEOs and Sales Leaders

What are the key moves that CEOs and sales leaders must make to prepare their teams for success in 2025? That’s exactly what we explored in a recent episode of the Art and Science of Complex Sales podcast hosted by Paul Fuller of Membrain. I had the pleasure of joining Kevin Lawson, President of Lighthouse Sales Advisors, for a deep dive into the strategies defining high-performing sales organizations in the year ahead. You may recognize… Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future: Insights for CEOs and Sales Leaders

Understanding Your Customers: The Role of Buyer Personas and Quarterly Business Reviews

Want to know the real secret behind successful sales? It’s not just about knowing what your customers need. The true power lies in understanding who they are at their core.

Have you ever wondered why some sales professionals consistently outperform their peers? The answer often comes down to their mastery of buyer personas and detailed profiles that capture the essence of your ideal customers.

Think of buyer personas as your secret weapon in the sales battlefield. These aren’t just random customer profiles thrown together in a rushed afternoon meeting. They represent carefully crafted composites of your most valuable clients, built from real-world data and insights. Your company might need several of these personas, each targeting different market segments with laser precision.

Creating effective buyer personas demands more than just surface-level observation. Start with a thorough analysis of your business landscape. Examine your strengths and weaknesses. Map out the opportunities that excite you and the threats that keep you up at night. This foundation helps you understand exactly where you fit in your customers’ world.

What makes your top customers tick? The answer lies in meaningful conversations with your best clients. These discussions should dig deep into both quantitative and qualitative factors. Demographics tell part of the story – age, position, education, family status. But the real gold comes from understanding their motivations. Why did they choose you? What problems do you solve that keep them coming back?

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Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

Have you ever wondered how a well-established manufacturing company can revolutionize its sales strategy? The journey of TriState Fabricators, a premier metal fabrication shop in the Midwest, offers compelling insights into this process. In a recent interview, I sat down with Joe Vogt, President and Owner, and Jonathon Padial, VP of Sales, to discuss their transformative experience. With his 20-year tenure at TriState, Joe Vogt recognized the need for change to scale the business. The… Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From Microphones to Mountains – Reflecting on 100 Episodes of Sales Wisdom – E100

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey in this milestone 100th episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales.” They take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, revisiting the evolution of their podcast from simple LinkedIn live events to a thriving sales discussion platform on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. They delve into their personal growth, the transformative insights gained, and the invaluable lessons they’ve shared across 100 episodes. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: Previous… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From Microphones to Mountains – Reflecting on 100 Episodes of Sales Wisdom – E100

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Selling Yourself: The Importance of Personal Branding in Sales – A Conversation With Megan O’Hara – Episode 26

Kevin and Sean continue to discuss the importance of staying relevant to customers and prospects. In the first part of the podcast, Sean interviews Megan O’Hara of EasyIT about the challenges of reaching customers in the digital age, where everyone is bombarded with emails and messages. They discuss the importance of being authentic, providing value, and standing out from the competition. They also emphasize the need for salespeople to adapt to changing technology and stay… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Selling Yourself: The Importance of Personal Branding in Sales – A Conversation With Megan O’Hara – Episode 26

Build a Path to More Sales

I was interviewed by Subkit. You can read the full article here: https://gosolo.subkit.com/new-sales-expert/, but they were nice enough to allow me to reproduce it here. Interested in starting your own entrepreneurial journey in business development but unsure what to expect? Then read up on our interview with Sean O’Shaughnessey, CEO and President of New Sales Expert, LLC., located in Mason, OH, USA. What’s your business, and who are your customers? I am a fractional Chief Revenue Officer.… Build a Path to More Sales