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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – No Leads, No Problem: Sales Strategies to Reignite Momentum – Episode 148

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

When your sales pipeline hits a wall—or worse, goes completely flat—it can feel like you’re spinning your wheels. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into what to do when your sales team is facing a revenue generation stall. This is a fast-paced, actionable conversation focused entirely on what sales leaders can do to recharge a stalled pipeline—without relying on marketing. Whether you’re in B2B tech, manufacturing, or professional services, this episode will equip you with practical, high-impact tactics to get your sales process moving forward again.

Key Topics Discussed

The “Flat Tire” Sales Pipeline Analogy (00:00)
Why pipelines go flat—even after big wins—and how leaders can reframe the issue.
The Power of Referrals and Networking (03:00)
Sean’s method for turning satisfied customers into a referral engine—complete with a ready-to-send intro letter.
Expanding Through Customer Proximity and Chambers of Commerce (05:00)
Leveraging existing accounts and local business events to rapidly refill the funnel.
Using PESTEL for Industry-Relevant Messaging (07:00)
Kevin shares a practical framework for creating insightful sales conversations that show business acumen and relevance.
Requalifying Open Deals with the Right Buyers (08:00)
How to use sales processes and CRMs to validate opportunities—and why “access to power” is non-negotiable.
Getting to the Economic Buyer—and Asking for the Order (11:00)
A breakdown of how to engage decision-makers, handle their buying criteria, and close with confidence.

Key Quotes

“I don’t care what you sell—coolants, software, promotional gear—if you’re not prospecting today, your pipeline will let you down tomorrow.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (01:07)
“We’re not a demo organization. If the demo alone sold your product, you wouldn’t need a salesperson.”
— Kevin Lawson (10:00)
“If your salespeople can’t tell you who the economic buyer is, it’s time for you to get in the car and go meet them yourself.”
— Sean O’Shaughnessey (12:00)

Additional Resources Mentioned

B2B Sales Lab Community – A peer-led space for sales professionals and leaders to grow, collaborate, and share sales strategies. (Free 90-day trial with credit card to keep out spammers.) www.b2b-sales-lab.com
PESTEL Framework – A structured approach for bringing value to sales conversations by focusing on Political, Economic, Social, Technological, Environmental, and Legal issues impacting buyers.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Requalify Every Deal in Your Pipeline This Week

Sales leaders: pull your team into a pipeline review and ask a simple, high-stakes question about every open opportunity—“If you walked in with a PO today, could your contact sign it?” If the answer is “no,” that deal is not qualified. Use this exercise to reinforce accountability, focus on real economic buyers, and prioritize deals that can convert into revenue. Don’t just forecast—verify.

Why You Should Listen Now

If you’ve ever looked at your pipeline and felt that creeping sense of panic, this episode is your emergency roadside kit. Sean and Kevin don’t waste time with fluff—they deliver real sales strategies rooted in decades of experience with sales management, business acumen, and revenue generation. From value selling tactics to reengaging your best customers, this conversation is loaded with sales success insights you can implement today. Plug in, take notes, and start patching your pipeline with purpose.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Elevate Your Sales Game with B2B Sales Lab: A New Resource for Revenue Growth – Episode 141

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

When sales professionals hit a roadblock, where do they turn? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey unveil an exciting new initiative: B2B Sales Lab, a private peer networking community designed to support salespeople, sales managers, and business owners in their journey toward revenue generation excellence. This isn’t just a conversation; rather, we are offering an invitation to join something powerful. If you’ve ever felt alone in a tough sales challenge or wished for experienced advice on your messaging, sales processes, or strategy, this episode is for you.

Key Topics Discussed

(00:00) Why selling isn’t easy and how sales professionals can benefit from a support network
(00:39) The creation and mission of the B2B Sales Lab community
(01:42) How the platform fosters peer-to-peer learning without judgment or pressure
(02:58) The importance of community in developing strong sales strategies and business acumen
(03:54) Guardrails that make this space safer and more effective than LinkedIn or Facebook groups
(05:00) Why there’s a membership fee—and why the first three months are free

Key Quotes

Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:01:00): “We’re creating a community where people can get together, bounce ideas off each other without fear—just designed to help.”
Kevin Lawson (00:02:58): “It’s unreasonable to think your small sales team has all the answers. But it’s completely reasonable to find a community that does.”
Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:04:16): “If you’re not a salesperson or sales leader, you’re not getting in. This isn’t about selling to each other. It’s about growing together.”

Additional Resources

B2B Sales Lab Information & Registration: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-lab
(Free for the first three months with no obligation.)

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Join the B2B Sales Lab.
If you’ve ever wished you had a sounding board for a tough sales call, a creative partner to work through messaging, or a peer to validate your sales strategy, this is your moment. Visit the link in the show notes and apply to join the B2B Sales Lab. The first three months are free, giving you access to experienced sales minds, curated content on value selling and revenue management, and a judgment-free environment to grow your sales acumen. Don’t wait for your next deal to fall through; build your support system today.

Why You Should Listen

This episode is a call to action for sales professionals serious about growth. If you’re navigating complex sales cycles, seeking stronger messaging, or simply want a community that understands your world, the B2B Sales Lab might be the resource you’ve been missing. Kevin and Sean, both seasoned in sales leadership and sales management, offer not just insights but an entire framework to elevate your career. Listen now to learn how to take the next step toward sustainable sales success—and connect with others on the same journey.

Why Cold Calling is Dead: The Shift to Relationship-Based Selling

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Building an effective sales pipeline requires a shift in strategy. Traditional cold calling has become increasingly ineffective, with decision-makers ignoring unsolicited calls and emails.

In the spring of 2021, Bank of America Corp.’s Merrill Lynch Wealth Management unit banned trainee brokers from making cold calls. According to the Wall Street Journal, it is hard to succeed with cold phone calls in an era when no one picks up. Merrill executives said personal referrals lead to a response around 40% of the time, but less than 2% of people who are cold-called even answer the phone.

Sales teams must adopt a more strategic approach, focusing on relationships rather than volume-based outreach. The key is leveraging existing networks to create warm introductions, significantly improving engagement rates and overall success.

Cold outreach has become expensive and inefficient, and the time spent dialing numbers, leaving voicemails, and sending emails that never get opened results in diminishing returns. Many executives no longer answer unknown calls, and email filters automatically sort cold outreach into spam. Even when messages get through, recipients are skeptical, assuming they are generated by automation rather than a genuine human connection. In reality, sales professionals must find a better way to reach their target audience.

Relationship-based selling offers a more effective alternative. Salespeople should focus on leveraging their connections instead of reaching out to strangers. This approach involves identifying key contacts who can provide warm introductions to potential prospects. These “super connectors” are individuals with strong networks and the ability to facilitate meaningful introductions. By tapping into these relationships, sales teams can bypass the skepticism associated with cold outreach and start conversations with credibility.

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How to Create an Elevator Pitch That Opens Doors

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Seize the Moment—Even If It’s Only 30 Seconds

You’re at a networking event. Or in line at the airport. Or maybe, quite literally, in an elevator. Someone turns to you and asks, “So, what do you do?”

That question—simple as it is—can be the beginning of a great opportunity… or a missed one.

As a small company fighting for attention in a crowded market, you don’t have the luxury of wasting that moment. You need a clear, concise, and compelling elevator pitch to earn a second conversation.

The Purpose of an Elevator Pitch

Your elevator pitch—or Unique Selling Proposition (USP)—is your verbal business card. It should quickly communicate what you do in a way that intrigues the listener and invites them to want more.

Your goal isn’t to close a deal on the spot. It’s to spark curiosity. It’s to turn a casual chat into a qualified lead.

The Anatomy of an Effective Elevator Pitch

Let’s break down what makes a pitch effective—and memorable.

1. Start with a Clear, Impactful Statement

Skip the jargon. Skip your job title. Lead with value.

“I help company owners dramatically increase the market value of their company.”

That kind of opener gets attention. It invites the natural question: “How do you do that?”

2. Avoid the “AND” Trap

Trying to cram too much into your pitch dilutes your message. Avoid saying, “We do this AND that AND also this.”
Instead, focus on one powerful value proposition. If you confuse your listener, you’ll lose them.

3. Know Your Audience

Adapt your pitch to fit the moment and the person. You wouldn’t speak to a private equity investor the same way you would to a small business owner. Tailor your language, examples, and tone to resonate with the listener.

Use a Mini Case Study with the PONI Method

If you have 10 more seconds of their attention, use it to share a brief, compelling client success story using the PONI method:

Project: What challenge did your client face or what were they trying to accomplish?
Old: How did they do that before?
New: What did you provide that changed things?
Impact: What was the measurable result?

“One of my clients leveraged increased revenue to grow their company’s market value by 167% in just 10 months.”

That’s the kind of story that gets remembered.

Don’t Forget the Ask

Close by inviting the next step:

“I’d love to share how we did it—can we schedule a follow-up conversation?”

That one line can turn a random encounter into a real opportunity.

Watch the Video

To see these concepts in action and learn how to craft your own elevator pitch, watch this short, practical video:

Want Help Refining Your Elevator Pitch?

If you’re ready to sharpen your messaging and make every introduction count, I’m happy to help.
Email me at Sean at NewSales dot Expert or send me a message here.

Let’s turn your next chance meeting into a business breakthrough.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Slumps & Hot Streaks: How to Build a Predictable Pipeline – E122

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Sales is a game of ups and downs, but what separates top performers from the rest is their ability to keep the funnel full—even when they’re closing deals. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art and science of building a consistent pipeline. They discuss strategic approaches to prospecting, leveraging data tools, and the importance of curiosity in sales conversations. Whether you’re starting fresh in Q1 or looking to level up your approach, this episode is packed with actionable insights to keep your sales engine running smoothly.

Key Topics Discussed

🔹 The Sales Roller Coaster – Why salespeople experience cycles of high revenue followed by dry spells and how to smooth out the dips. (00:01:15)

🔹 The First Step: Re-engage Past Clients – Why checking in with existing customers is the easiest way to generate immediate opportunities. (00:02:23)

🔹 Using Free Data Resources to Prospect – How Data Axle and Apollo.io can help salespeople generate lists of high-potential prospects at no cost. (00:03:00)

🔹 Turning Leads Into Prospects – The difference between having a database of names and actually engaging with real sales opportunities. (00:05:31)

🔹 The Power of Networking and Curiosity – How to leverage your network to gain insights about a company before reaching out to decision-makers. (00:10:39)

🔹 Climbing the Ladder to the Decision-Maker – Why you shouldn’t start at the top and how building relationships within an organization can earn you a trusted introduction. (00:14:37)

Key Quotes

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on avoiding the sales roller coaster:
“If I go back to my drain-the-swamp analogy, you gotta put water back in the swamp, you gotta let it rain, gotta make it rain.” (00:02:02)

💬 Kevin Lawson on the importance of planning:
“Too often, salespeople stop after the second or third introduction. Timing is everything—keep going, keep networking, and keep qualifying your ideal client profile.” (00:12:39)

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on reaching executives:
“You cannot send an email to the CEO and expect it to be read. You are just a salesperson. If you want to sell to the top, you need a referral—and probably from someone lower in the organization.” (00:14:37)

Additional Resources

📌 Data Axle – A powerful business database often available through public libraries. Check with your local library for free access.

📌 Apollo.io – A free tool offering up to 10,000 business contacts per month to help with prospecting.

📌 Lighthouse Sales Advisors Coaching – Kevin Lawson offers 1:1 coaching to help sales professionals refine their strategies. Learn more here.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Take 30 minutes this week to evaluate your sales pipeline using the “circle exercise.”

Draw a circle and estimate what percentage of your revenue will come from existing clients vs. new clients.
Identify how many new deals you need to hit your quota.
Rank your existing leads based on fit and potential.
Develop a networking plan to move from a name on a list to an engaged prospect.

Doing this exercise will give you clarity on where to focus your efforts and how to strategically fill your pipeline.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Struggling with an empty pipeline after closing strong last year? You’re not alone. In this fast-paced, insight-packed episode, Kevin and Sean break down the fundamental strategies that separate high-performing salespeople from those stuck on the revenue roller coaster. Whether you’re looking for free prospecting tools, better ways to approach networking, or a foolproof plan to keep your sales funnel full, this episode delivers practical tactics you can apply immediately.

🎧 Tune in now and take control of your sales pipeline!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Death of Cold Calling and the Rise of Relationship Selling – E119

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Cold calling is dead—or so claims our guest, Ben Victorica, in this thought-provoking Two Tall Guys Talking Sales episode. Hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep with Ben into the challenges of modern sales pipelines and explore why traditional outreach methods are no longer effective. Together, they uncover how relationship selling, fueled by emotional intelligence and strategic connections, is reshaping the future of sales. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with actionable insights you can’t afford to miss.

Key Topics Discussed

Why Cold Calling is Ineffective Today
Ben discusses the inefficiency of cold outreach in the modern era, citing Bank of America’s 2021 decision to ban cold calling as a pivotal moment in sales strategy. (Approx. 00:01:00)
The Economics of Cold Outreach vs. Relationship Selling
Sean explains the hidden costs of cold calling, emphasizing the expensive hourly rate of quota-bearing sales reps and its low ROI. (Approx. 00:02:20)
Leveraging LinkedIn for Strategic Connections
Ben provides a practical, step-by-step guide to mining LinkedIn connections for warm referrals, using your network intelligently without costly tools. (Approx. 00:05:35)
The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Modern Sales
Kevin and Ben discuss how sales professionals can use emotional intelligence and relationship intelligence tools to identify and nurture stronger business relationships. (Approx. 00:10:45)
Maximizing Relationship Capital with Technology
Ben introduces KnowledgeNet, a tool that helps sales teams unlock and scale their relationship capital to drive business growth. (Approx. 00:12:00)

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson:
“Top of funnel cold outreach with no relationship is nearly impossible—it’s a cost line on any P&L.” (Approx. 00:04:48)
Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“If you hand someone a list of 100 people you’d like an introduction to, you’ll get zero. But ask for five or ten, and you’ll get meaningful connections.” (Approx. 00:07:45)
Ben Victorica:
“Cold calling is dead. Relationship selling instead.” (Approx. 00:01:49)

Additional Resources Mentioned

KnowledgeNet.ai: A powerful tool to uncover and leverage relationship capital within your organization. Visit KnowledgeNet
Wall Street Journal 2021 Article: Referenced by Ben regarding Bank of America’s decision to ban cold calling – https://www.wsj.com/articles/bank-of-americas-merrill-lynch-to-ban-trainee-brokers-from-making-cold-calls-11621850400.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Use LinkedIn as a referral engine.
List key LinkedIn connections that align with your ideal customer profile. Then, approach your strongest network contacts—your “super connectors”—with a curated list of five to ten potential introductions. Respect their time and include a pre-written email template to make the referral process seamless.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

The sales landscape has shifted, and the old playbook of cold calling no longer delivers results. This episode offers a fresh perspective on building pipelines using strategic relationships and modern tools like KnowledgeNet. Packed with real-world advice from Kevin, Sean, and Ben, this conversation will inspire you to rethink your sales approach. Ready to ditch outdated tactics and embrace the future of selling? Tune in now to gain the edge you need.

Balancing Act: Networking, Direct Prospecting, and Customer Referrals for Revenue Growth

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Is your sales pipeline running dry? We’ve all been there.

Let me share a personal story that might resonate with you. After spending months securing a major deal, I found myself staring at an empty pipeline. The celebration of landing that giant whale quickly became a stark reality check. This experience taught me an invaluable lesson about sustainable sales growth.

Revenue generation isn’t just about closing deals—it’s about maintaining a consistent flow of opportunities. Your success depends on mastering the art of prospecting, yet many salespeople struggle with this fundamental skill. Are you dedicating enough time to building your pipeline, or are you caught in the feast-and-famine cycle?

The most effective sales professionals understand that prospecting isn’t a one-dimensional activity. Think of your prospecting strategy as a carefully orchestrated symphony, where different elements work together to create a harmonious result. Direct outreach and network-based approaches each play their unique roles in this composition.

Visualize a three-legged stool symbolizing the three-pronged approach to sales: networking and referrals, direct prospecting, and existing customers. Each of these legs supports growing your business and consistently achieving your revenue goals.

Consider how a software company might approach this dual strategy. While tracking metrics for direct outreach is straightforward, measuring networking success requires a different lens. How many new relationships have you cultivated? Which dormant connections have you rekindled? These indicators matter just as much as your cold call statistics.

I recently spoke with a consulting professional who shared an interesting perspective on networking metrics. Rather than counting sales pitches, he measures success by the number of times he naturally introduces his services in conversations. This subtle shift transforms aggressive selling into educational opportunities. Have you considered how this approach might work in your context?

Your prospecting strategy must align with your target audience’s expectations and behaviors. Waiting for inbound leads isn’t a strategy—it’s a recipe for inconsistent results. When you prospect through your network, the goal isn’t to ask for immediate business. Instead, you’re planting seeds for future opportunities through strategic introductions.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Intelligence 101: Using AI and Networking to Target Ideal Customers – E112

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Welcome to another compelling episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey! Kevin and Sean dive deep into a central challenge for sales teams: identifying ideal customers and building a robust prospect list. In this episode, they uncover practical strategies, share indispensable tools, and illustrate how a strong grasp of your customer can turn prospects into loyal clients. Whether you’re part of a lean sales team or managing large territories, this episode is loaded with insights to help you grow.

Key Topics Discussed

Building Your Prospect List (approx. 2:00): Kevin introduces the concept of creating an ideal prospect list and breaks down the importance of strategic targeting beyond mere proximity or broad industry fit.
Activating and Leveraging Networks (approx. 3:00): Both hosts discuss the value of networking to uncover warm referrals, emphasizing the need to build a customized, one-to-one outreach strategy.
Effective Tools for Targeting Customers (approx. 4:45): Sean and Kevin highlight essential tools like LinkedIn Sales Navigator, KnowledgeNet, and AI-powered tools like Perplexity to streamline the process of finding and qualifying leads.
Understanding the Customer’s Goals and Structure (approx. 7:20): Sean shares a story about understanding internal company dynamics and how knowing a prospect’s structure and goals helps in creating value-oriented solutions.
Actionable Research Insights (approx. 10:15): The duo dives into practical research techniques to understand client organizations and stakeholders, stressing that informed sellers are empowered sellers.

Key Quotes

Kevin: “To build a good prospect list, it doesn’t have to mean endless hours on Google or hundreds of cold calls. With the right tools, you can have a list ready before lunch.” (approx. 5:55)
Sean: “Your job isn’t just to sell a product; it’s to solve a problem. When you start with that goal, the sale becomes almost inevitable.” (approx. 14:40)
Kevin: “Whether you’re a team of one or a team of five, using the tools at hand to maximize your reach and impact makes you competitive.” (approx. 13:00)

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Leverage AI-powered tools to gain deeper insights into target companies and individuals before engaging in outreach. By using resources like Perplexity to understand a client’s structure, goals, and decision-making processes, salespeople can craft highly personalized solutions that add immediate value.

In the episode, Sean challenged people to use Perplexity to research his fellow co-host, Kevin Lawson. Here is that Perplexity search: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-you-help-me-with-informati-Hdjvd9OgQTWFXrODrlhHnQ

In this episode, Kevin and Sean clarify that sales is about more than products—it’s about partnerships. Discover how to empower yourself with the right tools, refine your approach to prospecting, and bring authentic value to each client. Tune in to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales for actionable strategies to transform how you engage, connect, and close.