Stop Guessing, Start Growing: How Strategic Sales Assessments Drive Real Revenue

Stop Guessing, Start Growing: How Strategic Sales Assessments Drive Real Revenue

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

You’ll eventually hit a wall if you’re running a sales organization—or wearing multiple hats as founder, CEO, and sales manager. That wall is often invisible until growth stalls, key deals slip through the cracks, or your top salesperson burns out. So, what’s the next move? It’s not more hustle. It’s assessment.

A sales assessment isn’t about checking boxes. It’s about understanding where you are, how you operate, and what’s holding you back. Too many small business leaders assume they’re doing fine because revenue is growing or the team is hitting their quotas. But are you growing at the rate your market allows? Are your sales activities aligned with your long-term goals? Are you building a repeatable system, or are you just getting lucky?

Let’s get tactical. A sales plan isn’t just a revenue target. It’s your go-to-market strategy. It defines your audience, your message, and your motion. It answers why you’re talking to those prospects and what value you’re bringing to them. Without a plan, you’re reacting instead of executing. You’re chasing leads instead of building a pipeline.

If you’re a small company—perhaps under $30 million in revenue—and selling into a national market, chances are your market potential is hundreds of millions, maybe billions. That means your market share is a rounding error, which means there’s room to grow. The question is: Are you operating in a way that allows you to capture that growth?

Even if you’re running lean, you should benchmark your performance against top-tier organizations. Not because you’re competing with them directly, but because they set the standard. What are they doing that you’re not? Where are they more efficient? How do they structure their teams? You’re leaving money on the table if you’re not asking those questions.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Know Your Numbers: A Sales Leader’s Guide to Growth Metrics – E132

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As Q2 kicks into full gear, it’s time to pause and reflect—are you ahead, on pace, or falling behind on your sales targets? In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey unpack one of a sales leader’s most crucial yet often overlooked responsibilities: knowing your numbers. With equal parts practical advice and strategic vision, this conversation walks you through the foundational metrics every sales leader should track—customer acquisition cost, average transaction size, support staffing ratios, and more. Whether you’re forecasting growth, scaling headcount, or simply trying to stay ahead of the competition, this episode is your playbook for building a metrics-driven sales organization that thrives.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Why “Keeping Score” Matters in Sales Leadership (00:00)
    Kevin kicks off the episode with a strong analogy to competitive sports, emphasizing that tracking performance metrics is non-negotiable for sales leaders aiming to grow.
  • Building a Forward-Looking Sales Metrics Matrix (00:01)
    Kevin walks through how to build a simple but powerful matrix using transaction volume, average deal size, and headcount to visualize both current performance and future goals.
  • Calculating Average Transaction Size and Quota Coverage (00:02)
    Learn how to reverse-engineer quota achievement by dividing sales goals by average transaction size to determine activity targets for your team.
  • Understanding Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) (00:05)
    Sean breaks down the components of CAC and explains why every sales leader must know this figure to scale sustainably and profitably.
  • Debunking the “Geopolitics Are Killing Sales” Excuse (00:09)
    Sean challenges the notion that global events are valid reasons for missed quotas, reinforcing that internal execution and strategic clarity are what really matter.
  • Aligning Sales Activity with Strategic Growth Goals (00:12)
    Kevin closes the episode with a systems-thinking approach to leadership, showing how small adjustments in metrics, team development, and compensation can drive exponential growth.

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson: “Keeping score is important. Really important. I’m talking like March Madness. Final game. Important.” (00:00)

Sean O’Shaughnessey: “If it takes you more than 20 minutes to figure out this information, then you need a better bookkeeping system.” (00:06)

Sean O’Shaughnessey: “You need to know what your average deal size is. You need to know how long it takes you to get a customer. Your CRM should be solving that.” (00:07)

Kevin Lawson: “We want to gently steer our company towards our goals. So the thinking about this process is all about knowing your numbers.” (00:12)

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Build Your Sales Metrics Matrix This Week
Start with your annual revenue goal. Break it down by the number of salespeople, average transaction value, and number of transactions needed per rep per month. Then layer in your customer acquisition cost, support staffing ratios, and expected margin. This matrix becomes your roadmap for scaling intelligently—whether you’re doubling headcount, expanding territory, or just trying to hit a consistent quota.

Episode Summary

In a world of uncertainty, Two Tall Guys Talking Sales reminds us that clarity comes from data. Kevin and Sean deliver a compelling, no-nonsense discussion about how to take control of your revenue engine by genuinely understanding the math behind your sales motion. Whether you’re a CEO, VP of Sales, or just starting to lead a team, this episode offers an essential primer on aligning your operations to your goals. Don’t miss this one—it might be the wake-up call your spreadsheet has been waiting for.

👉 Hit play now to future-proof your sales strategy by learning how to know your numbers like a pro.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway Explains How Buyers Want Growth- How Sales Leaders Can Increase Company Worth – E131

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome business intermediary Tom Gottlieb of Berkshire Hathaway. Tom brings decades of experience in buying, selling, and valuing businesses across the Midwest. The conversation dives deep into what truly drives the value of a company—and how sales leaders and business owners alike can prepare their organizations for a future transition. Whether you’re a business owner considering a sale or a sales executive interested in how sales performance impacts company valuation, this episode delivers invaluable guidance. It’s part education, part strategy session, and all high-value insight.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Three Core Approaches to Business Valuation – Asset, income, and comparative market methods explained simply and practically. (04:22)
  • Preparing a Business for Sale: Lessons from Real Estate – Why “curb appeal” matters for companies and how to improve it over time. (07:36)
  • What Buyers Want: Sales Growth, Consistency, and Processes – How prospective buyers assess the health of a business beyond profit margins. (09:00)
  • The Hidden Red Flag: When the Owner Is the Only Salesperson – Risks for buyers and strategies for mitigating dependency on the founder. (13:31)
  • Leveraging AI to Gain Competitive Market Intelligence – How technology is transforming buyer and seller knowledge in M&A. (11:32)

Key Quotes

Tom Gottlieb: “Every buyer wants the same thing: a business that works without the owner. That means strong processes, steady sales growth, and predictable profitability.” (09:01)
Sean O’Shaughnessey: “So if you don’t want to stick around after the sale, then train your sales team now—and watch the value of your company go up.” (14:16)
Kevin Lawson: “Tom, every time we talk, I walk away with something new. This episode is no exception.” (11:31)
Tom Gottlieb: “Buyers rarely show up with a bag of cash. There’s a timeline. A deal doesn’t close in a weekend—it’s often a year-long journey.” (07:00)

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start documenting your sales process today.
If you are a business owner—or advise one—and the majority of revenue hinges on a single salesperson (often the owner themselves), that’s a red flag for any future buyer. Begin formalizing your sales process, distribute responsibilities among team members, and track sales metrics consistently. This improves operational resilience and significantly enhances company value in a potential sale.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Selling a business isn’t just about profit, perception, process, and preparedness. In this episode, Kevin and Sean extract wisdom from Tom Gottlieb that applies to any B2B organization considering an exit in the next 3 to 10 years. It’s packed with strategic takeaways, sales insights, and behind-the-scenes truths about what makes a business attractive to buyers. Whether you’re a founder, an investor, or a sales leader, this episode will reshape how you think about long-term value creation. Tune in and learn how to make your business sell-ready—starting now.

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

Why Cold Calling is Dead: The Shift to Relationship-Based Selling

Why Cold Calling is Dead: The Shift to Relationship-Based Selling

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Building an effective sales pipeline requires a shift in strategy. Traditional cold calling has become increasingly ineffective, with decision-makers ignoring unsolicited calls and emails.

In the spring of 2021, Bank of America Corp.’s Merrill Lynch Wealth Management unit banned trainee brokers from making cold calls. According to the Wall Street Journal, it is hard to succeed with cold phone calls in an era when no one picks up. Merrill executives said personal referrals lead to a response around 40% of the time, but less than 2% of people who are cold-called even answer the phone.

Sales teams must adopt a more strategic approach, focusing on relationships rather than volume-based outreach. The key is leveraging existing networks to create warm introductions, significantly improving engagement rates and overall success.

Cold outreach has become expensive and inefficient, and the time spent dialing numbers, leaving voicemails, and sending emails that never get opened results in diminishing returns. Many executives no longer answer unknown calls, and email filters automatically sort cold outreach into spam. Even when messages get through, recipients are skeptical, assuming they are generated by automation rather than a genuine human connection. In reality, sales professionals must find a better way to reach their target audience.

Relationship-based selling offers a more effective alternative. Salespeople should focus on leveraging their connections instead of reaching out to strangers. This approach involves identifying key contacts who can provide warm introductions to potential prospects. These “super connectors” are individuals with strong networks and the ability to facilitate meaningful introductions. By tapping into these relationships, sales teams can bypass the skepticism associated with cold outreach and start conversations with credibility.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Prepping for Q2 – Getting Ahead, Catching Up, and Staying on Track – E129

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As the first quarter comes to a close, sales leaders and professionals must assess their performance and gear up for the challenges and opportunities ahead in Q2. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the essential strategies for those ahead of the plan and those struggling to catch up. From refining your sales process to maximizing customer relationships, this discussion has insights to help you dominate your numbers in the coming months.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • The Reality of Q1 Performance and the Need for Urgency (00:00:31)
    • Why waiting until Q2 to fix Q1 is too late, and how to position yourself for success early in the year.
  • Strategies for Those Ahead of Plan (00:01:00)
    • How to maintain momentum, close key deals, and ensure a strong Q4 while staying ahead of quota.
  • Critical Steps for Those Behind on Quota (00:04:01)
    • Conducting a win-loss analysis, diagnosing deal flow issues, and fine-tuning lead generation strategies.
  • The Importance of CRM Usage and Sales Efficiency (00:06:35)
    • How sales leaders and reps can maximize their CRM to drive efficiency and uncover missed opportunities.
  • Pricing Strategies and Customer Engagement (00:09:13)
    • Why now is the time to strengthen relationships with your top customers and confidently raise prices to improve margins?

Key Quotes:

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:01:32): “You have a chance at greatness if you are even or ahead at the end of Q1. Now’s the time to double down and make sure you close deals that will set you up for an incredible year.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:05:00): “Everyone has a leads problem. Either you don’t have enough, they’re not the right fit, or you’re not communicating your value effectively. That’s where the real focus should be.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:11:00): “Your best customers likely don’t know you as well as you think. Strengthening those relationships can open up new revenue streams and prevent you from falling behind.”

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

Perform a rapid win-loss analysis on your Q1 deals. If you’re ahead, identify the behaviors and strategies that got you there and double down. If you’re behind, determine whether the issue is a lack of quality leads, poor messaging, or weak follow-through. Adjust your sales approach immediately so you can enter Q2 with a clear plan to recover lost ground.

Summary:

Whether you’re ahead of plan, right on track, or scrambling to catch up, the strategies discussed in this episode will help you refine your sales process and make Q2 a success. Sean and Kevin share actionable insights on deal flow, CRM optimization, pricing strategies, and customer engagement that will set you up for a strong year. Don’t let another quarter slip away—tune in now to get ahead, stay ahead, and finish the year on top!

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

Becoming a Trusted Advisor: Solve Problems, Not Just Sell Products

Becoming a Trusted Advisor: Solve Problems, Not Just Sell Products

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In B2B sales and sales leadership, problem-solving is an art that goes beyond selling a product or service. The secret to becoming a trusted advisor is addressing business problems, not just selling a product. This concept resonates with salespeople, sales managers, and small business CEOs who sell themselves or manage a team of salespeople. 

Sales is not just about pushing a product or closing a deal; it’s about forging relationships, understanding businesses and their unique challenges, and offering solutions to these problems. The role of a trusted advisor is not to sell a product and become a trusted advisor, but rather to become a trusted advisor who can sell a product. 

The reward for earning trusted advisor status is immeasurable. It is fantastic to receive a call from a client asking for advice on solving problems they have never discussed with you. Imagine having relationships that stand the test of time and outlast competition and challenges. 

So, how does one become a trusted advisor and solve problems for clients rather than just selling them a great product? It starts with building a relationship from scratch. When starting with a prospect list or an ideal client profile, the goal is not to find anyone who will respond but to seek opportunities to build meaningful relationships. 

The cornerstone of these relationships is reliability. 

  • Are you always punctual? 
  • Do you cancel at the last minute? 
  • Do you forget to return phone calls? 

These behaviors erode trust. On the other hand, showing up when needed, providing solutions even when they are not directly related to your product or service, and connecting clients to others who can help them are behaviors that build trust. 

Becoming a trusted advisor also involves understanding and curiosity about the client’s business. Do you ask questions about how the prospective company makes and loses money, how it dealt with past challenges like the pandemic, and how it deals with current challenges like rising inflation or supply chain disruption? The aim is to understand the client’s business, challenges, and competitors and offer insights and parallels to other companies. 

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Regular Season to Postseason: Coaching Your Sales Team to Win – E128

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

As a sales leader, are you coaching your team for the long haul, or are you scrambling in the final weeks of the quarter? In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey break down the difference between regular season and postseason play—whether in sports or sales. They explore why last-minute Hail Mary strategies can be damaging, how to manage time, and the importance of effective and consistent coaching. With March Madness and The Masters as the backdrop, this conversation is packed with insights to help you refine your sales approach and ensure your team is always in winning form.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Sales Tournament Mentality (00:02:00) – What sales teams can learn from March Madness and The Masters, and why only one team wins while the rest lose.
  • Building a Winning Sales Team (00:03:30) – How business owners can prepare their sales teams to perform under pressure by ensuring the right people are in the right seats.
  • The Role of Sales Coaching (00:05:00) – Why sales leaders must incorporate skills development into every sales meeting instead of just reviewing the pipeline.
  • The Pitfalls of End-of-Quarter Desperation (00:07:50) – How last-minute discounting and rushed deals create long-term problems and train customers to buy at a discount.
  • Mastering Time Management in Sales (00:10:00) – How prioritization and disciplined execution throughout the quarter prevent last-minute chaos and boost consistent performance.

Key Quotes

  • Kevin Lawson (00:07:53): “If you’re behind in sales right now, don’t throw Hail Marys. Don’t discount. You’re teaching your prospects to wait until the end of the quarter for a better deal—and that’s a losing game.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:13:00): “You have one thing in sales you can never get back: time. If you wasted today, it’s gone forever. You can’t go back and fix it.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:09:00): “Salespeople with commission breath stink. If your only focus is closing the deal before Friday, your prospects will smell it a mile away—and that’s not how you build relationships.”

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Develop a Five-Week Sales Training Plan – Sales leaders should map out the next five sales meetings, dedicating at least five minutes to skills development in each session. Focus on topics such as pipeline progression, prospect qualification, and closing techniques. Training should not be an afterthought—it should be a fundamental part of your sales strategy.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Whether you’re a sales leader or a frontline salesperson, this episode is your playbook for maintaining momentum all year long. Avoid the common traps of end-of-quarter desperation, build a disciplined approach to sales training, and master the art of time management. Just like in sports, sales success isn’t about last-minute heroics—it’s about consistent execution.

Tune in now and take your sales game to the next level!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Prospecting: Are You Chasing Leads or Cultivating Success? – E127

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art of sales prospecting using an unusual but powerful analogy—chasing butterflies versus building a garden. Are you tirelessly running after leads or cultivating an environment where ideal prospects naturally come to you? Learn how to create a long-term strategy for consistent revenue growth by positioning your business as the go-to solution for your ideal customers.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • The Butterfly Effect in Sales (00:01:00) – The difference between chasing every lead and strategically attracting the right ones.
  • Building a Sales Garden (00:02:49) – Developing a long-term strategy that consistently nurtures and attracts the best-fit prospects.
  • Marketing & Content Strategy Alignment (00:04:22) – Collaborating with marketing to ensure the right messaging.
  • The Value of Inbound Leads (00:06:11) – Why leads that come through your marketing efforts are often easier to close and more profitable.
  • Tactical Steps for Sales Leaders (00:08:00) – Actionable insights for sales managers to help their teams attract, engage, and convert better.
  • Crafting a Strong Value Proposition (00:10:18) – The foundation of effective lead generation and how to align it with your ideal customer profile.

Key Quotes:

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:01:52): “If you’re hungry for revenue, you’re probably running around chasing butterflies. But if you want sustainable growth, you need to create an environment where prospects naturally come to you.”
  • Kevin Lawson (00:03:55): “Sales leaders, think about your team—have you equipped them with butterfly nets, or have you taught them how to build a garden?”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:06:44): “The best prospects aren’t the ones you chase—they’re the ones who find their way to your garden because you’ve built something valuable for them.”

Additional Resources:

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

If you rely solely on outbound prospecting, evaluate your value proposition and content strategy today. Align your marketing and sales teams to ensure your messaging is clear, consistent, and tailored to your ideal buyer. Identify gaps in your digital presence and take the first step toward creating a sales garden that nurtures and attracts the right leads.

Final Thoughts:

Sales is more than just chasing down deals—it’s creating an ecosystem where prospects feel drawn to your expertise, insights, and solutions. In this episode, Sean and Kevin explain shifting from frantic outbound prospecting to a methodical approach that fosters sustainable revenue growth. Whether you’re a sales leader or an individual contributor, you’ll walk away with practical steps to build your high-converting sales garden.

Tune in now and take your sales strategy to the next level!

To understand if your company is doing a great job in sales, take this quick and easy assessment: https://newsales.expert/b2b-sales-capability-assessment/

The Power of Personal Branding in Enhancing Sales Productivity

The Power of Personal Branding in Enhancing Sales Productivity

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Navigating the world of sales can sometimes feel like traversing a labyrinth. Salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs alike grapple with the challenge of increasing revenue and enhancing productivity in their sales processes. To be successful, you need more than knowledge of products and services; you need to develop trust and a strong personal brand.

Business-to-business (B2B) sales involves transferring trust from ourselves to our prospects. We trust in our products and company, but convincing prospects to share that trust is the real challenge. This trust should encompass the product, the company, and perhaps most crucially, the salesperson. Remember, B2B sales could be defined as helping prospects decide in our favor within the desired timeframe.

The key to B2B sales is developing a personal brand that inspires trust in salespeople. The salesperson’s ability to convey reliability, expertise, and credibility can significantly influence how fast a prospect invests in a product or service.

Developing a strong personal brand begins with creating a presence that signals control and understanding of the business. This can be achieved by showcasing the benefits of your product or service to your customer’s business. A straightforward way to build your brand is by seeking references from your network, former employers, and customers, and showcasing these on professional platforms like LinkedIn.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Amy Connor discusses Salespeople vs. Lead Generation: Are You Using Your Team Wisely? – E125

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

How do you measure the success of your sales and marketing efforts? If you’ve ever wondered whether your marketing dollars are driving revenue or if your sales team is making the most of their leads, this episode is for you. 

Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Amy Connor, founder of CMO on Loan, to discuss how marketing and sales should work together for growth. Amy brings her extensive experience from Procter & Gamble, Luxottica, and other top brands to help mid-market companies build marketing confidence, align with sales, and drive measurable results.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Basketball Analogy: Why Tracking Performance Matters (~00:01:00)
    • Just like basketball teams analyze stats post-game, businesses need to measure marketing and sales effectiveness.
  • How to Decide Between Investing in Sales or Marketing (~00:04:30)
    • Business owners often wonder whether they should put more resources into sales teams or marketing initiatives—Amy breaks it down.
  • Aligning Marketing and Sales for Lead Generation (~00:07:30)
    • Should salespeople generate their own leads, or is there a more efficient way to bring prospects to the table?
  • The Role of a Fractional CMO: How Businesses Can Engage Marketing Leadership (~00:11:20)
    • Amy explains how a fractional CMO helps companies make smarter marketing decisions without the full-time executive cost.
  • A Sneak Peek into Next Week: Measuring Marketing Effectiveness (~00:13:52)
    • Tune in next week as Amy shares the tools and strategies that help businesses track what’s working and what’s not.

Key Quotes

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (~00:06:41):
    “So many of my clients assume that salespeople will find their own leads, but is that really the best use of their time?”
  • Amy Connor (~00:07:51):
    “Your sales team is often being asked to do too much. Something will suffer if they have to hunt for leads and nurture accounts at the same time.”
  • Kevin Lawson (~00:11:00):
    “When companies say, ‘I need more sales,’ what they often mean is, ‘I need more leads.’ But are they solving the right problem?”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Evaluate your marketing and sales alignment. Take a step back and ask:

  • Do I have a clear process for tracking where leads come from and how they convert?
  • Is my sales team spending too much time prospecting instead of closing deals?
  • Would marketing support help my business generate higher-quality leads?

If you’re not sure, it may be time to review your funnel and define a strategy that ensures sales and marketing work together—not in silos.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

This episode is a must-listen for business owners, sales leaders, and marketing professionals looking to make smarter investments in growth. Amy Connor shares real-world insights on how marketing can drive measurable business results and how sales and marketing can function as a united force. Plus, next week’s episode will dive even deeper into how to measure marketing effectiveness, so don’t miss it!

🎧 Download now and take the first step toward a more effective marketing and sales strategy!