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Hiring for Growth: How to Build a Sales Team That Drives Long-Term Success

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Building a successful sales team requires more than just filling open seats with available candidates. Company leadership must strategically align its hiring process with business objectives, market needs, and long-term goals.

Whether you’re a solopreneur transitioning to a team-based approach or a CEO managing a growing sales force, the principles of intentional recruitment and onboarding remain the same. Hiring the right people is an investment in the future of your business.

One of the most common pitfalls in sales hiring is a lack of intentionality. Too often, small businesses hire out of convenience, choosing candidates from their immediate network or taking the first person who seems interested. While this approach may solve an immediate need, it rarely leads to long-term success.

Hiring a salesperson means selecting someone who can actively drive growth and represent your brand with competence and integrity. The stakes are even higher when you’re working with a lean team; every hire matters, and mediocrity is not an option.

To avoid these missteps, it’s essential to approach hiring with the same rigor you apply to your sales process. Think of recruiting as a parallel to securing a high-value client. Just as you wouldn’t sell your product without qualifying leads or understanding their needs, you shouldn’t hire without a structured process to evaluate candidates.

Begin by defining what success looks like for the role. What skills and attributes are non-negotiable? What specific outcomes do you expect this person to achieve within their first 90 days? A clear job description and measurable KPIs set the foundation for finding the right fit.

Cultural alignment is another critical factor. Your salespeople are the face of your business to prospects and customers. Their ability to embody your company’s values and mission can make or break the customer experience. A candidate might have a stellar track record, but if their approach clashes with your team’s culture, the partnership is unlikely to succeed. At the same time, skills and experience must align with the specific demands of the role. For instance, if your goal is aggressive market penetration, you need a hunter mentality, someone skilled in building relationships from scratch and closing deals in uncharted territory.

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Turning Around Sales Performance: Strategies for CEOs and Sales Managers to Foster Internal Alignment

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Navigating a sales turnaround isn’t just about fixing numbers; it’s about transforming the business. It’s about realigning expectations, rebuilding internal trust, and creating a structured, sustainable path forward.

If you’re a CEO, sales manager, or a key salesperson in your organization, the pressure to reverse a sales slump can feel overwhelming. However, the truth is that turnarounds aren’t made in a sprint; they’re built through clarity, consistency, and effective communication.

Too often, sales leaders make the mistake of focusing only on the downward trend. They get caught up in the urgency of the numbers and forget that the real challenge lies in managing upward, setting expectations with executive leadership, and aligning them with reality.

If your sales team is underperforming, your internal stakeholders are your new audience. Just as with external prospects, you need to manage their expectations with a clear, actionable plan.

The process starts with a shift in mindset.

Instead of viewing upper management as critics, think of them as clients. What do they need to believe in this turnaround? What information do they need to trust your leadership? Start by building a high-level outline. Avoid over-engineering the details in the early stages. Focus on where you want to go, then reverse-engineer the steps to get there.

Every turnaround starts from a rear position. That means your first job is to stop the downward momentum. Before you can scale revenue, you need to stabilize it. That requires a clear definition of success, agreed upon by everyone involved.

Are you trying to double revenue in 12 months?
Or just return to last year’s baseline?
Is that goal realistic given your market, team, and resources?

If not, revise it. A stretch goal is fine. A fantasy is not.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Why Consistent Sales Strategies Win: Forecasting, Messaging, and Revenue Management – Episode 151

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey delve into the crucial role of deal qualification in driving sales success. From simple frameworks like BANT to advanced methodologies such as MEDDIC and MEDDPICCC, Kevin and Sean explain how consistent sales processes, value selling, and business acumen can sharpen forecasting, strengthen messaging, and ultimately accelerate revenue generation. Whether you’re managing a sales team or selling solo, this discussion will help you refine your sales strategies and improve your revenue management outcomes.

Key Topics Discussed

The cooking analogy for sales qualification – how preparing a meal mirrors building consistent sales processes
Why full qualification matters – reducing forecast slippage, aligning solutions to customer needs, and driving predictable revenue generation.
BANT explained – Budget, Authority, Need, and Timeline as a simple framework for qualifying deals
Beyond BANT – an overview of advanced methodologies such as SPIN, SPICED, and NEAT for value selling in complex deals
Deep dive into MEDDIC and MEDDPICCC – why metrics, the economic buyer, and champions are essential for enterprise-level sales success
The importance of sales management consistency – ensuring every salesperson in an organization qualifies deals with the same discipline

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson : “When you close things better, when you have more deal intelligence or customer intelligence or relationship intelligence gained through a qualifying methodology, you end up being better able to serve a customer.”
Sean O’Shaughnessey : “If you have five salespeople trying to qualify deals, you want them to qualify them the same way—consistency matters because it creates repeatable sales success.”
Sean O’Shaughnessey : “Every deal needs a champion. If you can get a champion to sell for you when you’re not there, you are far more likely to win.”

Additional Resources

HubSpot Blog: A Guide to Sales Qualification Frameworkshttps://blog.hubspot.com/sales/6-popular-sales-methodologies-summarized
The Qualified Sales Leader by John McMahon is an essential read on MEDDIC from one of the most successful sales leaders in software history. https://a.co/d/76089W7
Join the B2B Sales Lab for 90 days free and access practical community discussions on sales strategies, revenue management, and messaging. https://b2b-sales-lab.com

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Select and consistently implement one sales qualification framework across all your deals.
Whether you adopt BANT for simplicity or MEDDPICCC for enterprise-level selling, consistency in qualification builds stronger forecasts, improves customer alignment, and accelerates revenue generation. Decide on one methodology, train your team, and hold yourself accountable to using it every time.

Why You Should Listen

This episode is packed with practical insights for salespeople, managers, and business leaders committed to improving revenue management and sales success. Kevin and Sean take you from everyday analogies to advanced enterprise strategies, showing why consistent qualification is the backbone of predictable growth. If you want sharper sales processes, better forecasting, and stronger messaging that supports value selling, you won’t want to miss this conversation. Download now and start applying these proven sales strategies to your own pipeline.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales Management Insights for Growth-Focused Teams – Episode 138

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this week’s episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey are joined by the “Elder Statesman” of fractional sales management: John Lee. With nearly four decades of experience and a deep track record of helping companies hire top-performing sales professionals, John shares a masterclass in sales hiring strategy. Whether you’re scaling from a two-person team to ten or trying to avoid costly hiring mistakes, this episode delivers practical, field-tested advice on building elite sales teams, strengthening your sales processes, and aligning talent with company culture.

Don’t miss this conversation if you’re committed to improving your sales success through smarter hiring, better business acumen, and scalable revenue generation.

Key Topics Discussed:

The Hiring Mindset for Growth Companies (00:01:45)
Why hiring rock stars—not warm bodies—matters and how John filters for high performers.
From First Hire to Scaling a Team (00:04:44)
CEOs and sales leaders must ask the evolving questions when hiring their 3rd, 5th, or 10th rep.
Psychographics, Not Just Resumes (00:05:24)
How John builds candidate profiles that match top performers using behavior and motivation, not just skills.
Parallel Sales and Hiring Processes (00:08:00)
Why a successful sales hiring process mirrors your value selling strategy—with defined steps, assessments, and clear messaging.
Avoiding Common Hiring Mistakes (00:11:43)
The critical danger of hiring salespeople who are better at selling themselves than your solution.
Top 3 Rules for Hiring Sales Talent (00:13:33)
John’s unfiltered checklist for hiring decisions that fuel revenue growth and protect your sales culture.

Key Quotes:

John Lee: “Don’t hire someone who can’t show they’ve been successful—and don’t hire someone who doesn’t fit your culture.” (00:13:57)
Sean O’Shaughnessey: “A salesperson might not be able to sell your product to save their life—but they’re often great at selling themselves. That’s a trap for business owners.” (00:11:55)
Kevin Lawson: “You talk about hiring the way you talk about sales infrastructure—it’s all about process, fit, and purpose.” (00:07:42)

Additional Resources Mentioned:

OMG Sales Candidate Assessment (Objective Management Group) – John’s preferred tool for evaluating candidate sales DNA and fit.
LinkedIn: John Lee – https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnleeportlandoregon/

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast:

Design a Hiring Process Like a Sales Process
Treat your hiring efforts with the same rigor as your sales process. Start by defining a psychographic profile based on your top performers. Use structured assessments to evaluate “sales DNA” and focus interviews on demonstrated success, not just confidence. Then, make cultural fit a deal-breaker. Great hires aren’t just competent—they’re aligned with your mission, methods, and team dynamics.

Summary Paragraph:

This episode is essential listening for sales leaders and business owners looking to scale their teams without sacrificing culture, performance, or momentum. John Lee brings a rare mix of seasoned sales management expertise and real-world hiring acumen to the table. If you want to improve revenue generation through smarter hiring and better sales strategies, you’ll find actionable insights packed into every minute. Don’t settle for average; build a sales team that drives success. Tune in now.

Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future: Insights for CEOs and Sales Leaders

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

What are the key moves that CEOs and sales leaders must make to prepare their teams for success in 2025? That’s exactly what we explored in a recent episode of the Art and Science of Complex Sales podcast hosted by Paul Fuller of Membrain. I had the pleasure of joining Kevin Lawson, President of Lighthouse Sales Advisors, for a deep dive into the strategies defining high-performing sales organizations in the year ahead.

You may recognize Kevin’s name. He is my co-host on the Two Tall Guys Talking Sales podcast. Paul titled our interview with him “Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future with Two Tall Guys.”

In the episode, we uncover the real-world tactics and leadership insights that can help CEOs transform their sales organizations—from defining who to sell to building processes that deliver consistent results. If you’re serious about leading a sales team that thrives amid complexity, I highly encourage you to listen to the full conversation. The link is below—don’t miss it.

Driving Growth Through Data-Driven Leadership

One of the central themes we cover is the role of data in guiding strategic decisions. Successful sales leadership today hinges on the ability to read the right signals—metrics like call volumes, deal velocity, customer life cycles, and attrition rates. We discuss how to turn that data into insights that refine your ideal customer profile (ICP) and strengthen your sales and marketing efforts.

We also discuss how a CEO’s dashboard isn’t static. It must evolve based on the business environment, market pressures, and geopolitical events. Paul Fuller helps steer the conversation into practical territory, where we explore how CEOs can stay ahead by making data-informed decisions and leading their teams with clarity and focus.

This podcast episode will be particularly valuable if you’re a CEO or revenue leader aiming to refine your strategic lens. Be sure to check it out through the link below.

Coaching for Consistent Performance Improvement

Data might show you where to focus, but coaching is what gets you results. Kevin and I discuss the importance of coaching for incremental gains—not just pushing reps to hit more numbers but helping them level up in ability and mindset.

We show how leaders can move salespeople from C-level to B-level performers and beyond through relatable sports analogies and real-world examples. These small, steady improvements compound over time and create a team of confident, capable sellers who know how to win.

We also touch on the need for structured coaching frameworks and repeatable systems, which we provide through website resources. If you lead a team that could benefit from a morale, performance, or accountability boost, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

Building a Repeatable, Scalable Sales Process

We close the episode with a focused discussion on sales process discipline. By taking a structured approach to evaluating leads—based on product fit, probability, and alignment with your ICP—leaders can drive better forecasting and higher win rates.

Even modest improvements in key areas like win rate, deal size, and sales cycle length can produce exponential results. We explore how a 7% uptick in core metrics could double your revenue. The message is clear: Clarity, consistency, and customer focus are non-negotiable in 2025.

If you’re looking to future-proof your sales organization, this podcast episode is packed with strategies and examples that can serve as a roadmap. Listen to the full episode and learn how to apply these concepts to your company.

Listen to the Full Episode

This is a powerful episode for CEOs, sales leaders, and anyone responsible for building and leading high-performance sales teams. If you’re ready to equip your team for 2025 and beyond, don’t miss this conversation on the Art and Science of Complex Sales podcast.

🎧 Episode: Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future with Two Tall Guys
🎙 Host: Paul Fuller of Membrain
🔗 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/building-winning-sales-teams-for-the-future-with-two/id1723340327?i=1000684372709

Click the link to listen now—you’ll walk away with actionable ideas to implement immediately.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Engage, Listen, Succeed: Unlocking Client Conversations That Close Deals – E121

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into the art of active listening and its transformative potential in sales. Building on the discussion from last week’s episode about discovery questions, Kevin and Sean provide actionable strategies to improve your listening skills, enhance your client interactions, and ultimately close more deals. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or new to the field, this episode is packed with valuable lessons you can apply immediately.

Key Topics Discussed

The Role of Active Listening in Sales Success
Kevin and Sean discuss how active listening differentiates successful salespeople from the rest and why it’s critical for uncovering client pain points.
The Power of Note-Taking
Kevin shares his transition from paper to digital note-taking and how capturing accurate information leads to better follow-ups and stronger client relationships.
Body Language and Visual Cues in Client Meetings
Sean emphasizes the importance of leaning forward, maintaining eye contact, and using other non-verbal cues to demonstrate engagement during conversations.
Learning from Reporters: Listening Like a Pro
Sean compares salespeople to seasoned reporters and outlines how active listening and asking thoughtful follow-up questions can set the stage for impactful discussions.
Upskilling Through Active Listening
Kevin highlights how organizations can improve their pipeline and closing rates by investing in training that focuses on active listening and effective questioning techniques.

Key Quotes

Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“Don’t ever book a meeting without educating the client or making them a better business. That’s the only reason you’re allowed in their office.” (Approx. 8:00)
Kevin Lawson:
“Active listening is your skeleton key to unlock doors that were previously closed. It’s the gateway to uncovering real pain points and creating meaningful solutions.” (Approx. 13:15)
Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“Leaning forward in your chair isn’t just about posture; it’s a powerful signal to your client that you’re fully engaged and ready to understand their needs.” (Approx. 10:00)

Additional Resources

Sean and Kevin refer to the previous episode on discovery questions as a foundation for this discussion. If you haven’t listened to it, consider downloading it for additional context.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Apply Active Listening in Your Next Sales Call
In your next client interaction, focus on active listening by using these three steps:

Lean forward and maintain engaged body language.
Paraphrase the client’s statements to ensure understanding.
Take detailed notes and review them to tailor your follow-up responses.

These small adjustments can significantly affect the quality of your client conversations and help you close more deals.

Summary

Active listening isn’t just a soft skill; it’s a sales superpower. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin and Sean unravel the nuances of listening to clients, capturing their pain points, and building trust through meaningful interactions. With tips ranging from non-verbal cues to the tactical use of note-taking, this conversation equips you with tools to elevate your sales game. Whether you’re preparing for a discovery call, a QBR, or a cold call, this episode is a must-listen for actionable insights. Tune in and transform the way you engage with your clients.

Happy listening—and selling!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Art of the Discovery Call: Build Respect and Close More Deals – E120

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey tackle one of the most critical yet underestimated aspects of sales: the discovery call. Are you guilty of “winging it” during these pivotal conversations? Tune in as Kevin and Sean break down the importance of crafting a tailored question bank, share actionable tips to elevate your discovery process, and reveal how asking the right questions can transform your sales game. If you’re looking to close more deals and gain the respect of your prospects, this is the episode for you.

Key Topics Discussed

The Danger of Winging It in Discovery Calls (Approx. 00:00:00)
Kevin and Sean explain why improvising during discovery calls can lead to missed opportunities and how a question bank can save the day.
Building an Effective Question Bank (Approx. 00:01:00)
Learn how to create a dynamic set of questions tailored to different industries and titles, ensuring every prospect feels understood.
The Power of Open-Ended Questions (Approx. 00:05:00)
Discover why “what” and “how” questions are more effective than “why” questions in fostering productive, trust-building conversations.
The ROI of Better Discovery Questions (Approx. 00:07:00)
Explore how better discovery leads to more accurate forecasts, stronger relationships, and increased respect from prospects.
Refining Your Question Bank Over Time (Approx. 00:12:00)
Kevin and Sean emphasize the importance of regularly reviewing and updating your questions to stay relevant and effective.

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson: “You should never ask a question on a discovery call that you could find the answer to with public information. That’s a waste of your prospect’s time and shows you haven’t earned their business.” (Approx. 00:10:27)
Sean O’Shaughnessey: “Why questions feel like interrogation. Great discovery questions start with what and how—they build trust and uncover real insights.” (Approx. 00:06:25)
Kevin Lawson: “Writing down your questions allows you to tweak, hone, and refine them. It’s the preparation that separates good sellers from great ones.” (Approx. 00:09:05)

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start Your Own Question Bank Today
Set aside 30 minutes to brainstorm 10-15 open-ended questions for your next discovery call. Categorize them by industry and prospect title. Use these questions in your next call, then evaluate their effectiveness. Adjust and refine over time to create a winning formula.

Summary

Mastering the discovery call is essential for any successful salesperson, and in this episode, Kevin and Sean provide the ultimate guide to getting it right. From crafting a versatile question bank to leveraging open-ended questions that build trust and uncover insights, this episode is packed with actionable advice to transform your sales process. Don’t miss this opportunity to elevate your skills and close more deals—listen now and discover the art of the perfect discovery call!

Understanding Your Customers: The Role of Buyer Personas and Quarterly Business Reviews

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Want to know the real secret behind successful sales? It’s not just about knowing what your customers need. The true power lies in understanding who they are at their core.

Have you ever wondered why some sales professionals consistently outperform their peers? The answer often comes down to their mastery of buyer personas and detailed profiles that capture the essence of your ideal customers.

Think of buyer personas as your secret weapon in the sales battlefield. These aren’t just random customer profiles thrown together in a rushed afternoon meeting. They represent carefully crafted composites of your most valuable clients, built from real-world data and insights. Your company might need several of these personas, each targeting different market segments with laser precision.

Creating effective buyer personas demands more than just surface-level observation. Start with a thorough analysis of your business landscape. Examine your strengths and weaknesses. Map out the opportunities that excite you and the threats that keep you up at night. This foundation helps you understand exactly where you fit in your customers’ world.

What makes your top customers tick? The answer lies in meaningful conversations with your best clients. These discussions should dig deep into both quantitative and qualitative factors. Demographics tell part of the story – age, position, education, family status. But the real gold comes from understanding their motivations. Why did they choose you? What problems do you solve that keep them coming back?

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Driving Sales Performance with Strategic Competitive Analysis

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Ever wonder why some sales teams consistently outperform their competitors while others struggle to close deals? The answer often lies in how well they understand and leverage competitive analysis in their sales process.

Let’s talk about competitive analysis in sales. It’s not just about knowing your competition – it’s about understanding how to use that knowledge to drive results. You need to grasp why prospects choose specific solutions over others and, more importantly, why they sometimes choose to do nothing at all.

Have you considered how many deals you’ve lost not to competitors but to indecision? These “no decision” outcomes often stem from a fundamental gap in prospect qualification. Intelligent sales professionals dig deeper, asking targeted questions about organizational priorities, resource allocation, and strategic initiatives. They understand that timing can be just as crucial as the solution itself.

The modern sales landscape demands a sophisticated approach to competitive analysis. Your success hinges on aligning your organization’s strengths with your prospect’s needs. But here’s the real question: Do you truly understand what your ideal client values most?

Many sales professionals miss the mark by focusing solely on feature comparisons. While product capabilities matter, they’re just one piece of the puzzle. The real power lies in understanding how your solution addresses your prospect’s challenges. This requires a comprehensive view of your competitive landscape, including direct and indirect competitors.

Think about your last few lost deals. What patterns emerge when you analyze the feedback? Every objection and hesitation after presenting pricing are valuable data points that should shape your competitive strategy. Your sales conversations must reflect a deep understanding of your prospect’s value metrics.

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Turning Competition into Opportunity: A Guide for Success in Sales

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Competition in B2B sales isn’t your enemy. It’s your greatest catalyst for growth and innovation in today’s dynamic market landscape. Have you considered how viewing competitors as opportunities rather than threats could transform your sales approach? Let me show you why this mindset shift matters for your bottom line.

Think beyond the obvious when identifying your competition. Your real rivals aren’t just companies selling similar products or services. They’re anyone competing for your prospect’s budget allocation. This includes businesses offering solutions with capabilities or price points different from yours and other priorities within the prospect. The competitive landscape extends far beyond your direct market segment.

The most formidable opponent often lurks in the shadows of customer inertia. This “no-decision” competitor manifests as your prospect’s resistance to change. It’s the comfort zone that whispers, “Maybe later,” or “What we have works fine.” Understanding this psychological barrier is crucial for your sales strategy.

You need a systematic approach to analyzing and outmaneuvering your competition. Start with an honest assessment of your position in the market. What unique value do you bring to your customers? Where do you consistently outperform others? This self-awareness forms the foundation of your competitive strategy.

Know your competition inside and out. Study their strengths, weaknesses, market positioning, and customer relationships. Your competitive analysis must go deeper than surface-level observations. Map out how their strengths align with your weaknesses. This intelligence helps you craft more compelling value propositions and sales approaches.

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