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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Mission-Led Sales Culture: Insights from Richard Cogswell – E106

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Richard Cogswell, a 20-year sales veteran and author who leads the APAC region in the FinTech space. Richard shares his journey from commission-only sales in the insurance industry to becoming a B2B sales leader in the complex world of payments. Together, they discuss the critical importance of developing a mission-led culture, the pitfalls of sales leadership without… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Mission-Led Sales Culture: Insights from Richard Cogswell – E106

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Strategic Sales Planning: Finish Strong and Prepare for FY25 – E105

As the year winds down and football season takes over, Sean O’Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson remind us that it’s time for sales leaders to focus on the coming year. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Sean and Kevin dive into actionable strategies for building a strong foundation in FY25, including compensation plan design, strategic projects, and investing in your sales team. Whether you’re a sales leader, business owner, or manager, this episode… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Strategic Sales Planning: Finish Strong and Prepare for FY25 – E105

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Success and Growing Pains: How to Build Systems That Scale – E104

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey explore the complexities of rapid sales growth. While many companies aspire to grow, not all are ready for the operational strain accompanying success. The hosts share insights on scaling systems, optimizing sales operations, and ensuring growth doesn’t break your business. This episode offers actionable strategies for businesses facing fast-paced expansion, from onboarding salespeople to expanding infrastructure. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: A… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Success and Growing Pains: How to Build Systems That Scale – E104

Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

Have you ever wondered how a well-established manufacturing company can revolutionize its sales strategy? The journey of TriState Fabricators, a premier metal fabrication shop in the Midwest, offers compelling insights into this process. In a recent interview, I sat down with Joe Vogt, President and Owner, and Jonathon Padial, VP of Sales, to discuss their transformative experience. With his 20-year tenure at TriState, Joe Vogt recognized the need for change to scale the business. The… Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Daily Habits for Deepening Sales Relationships: A Guide for Busy Sales Professionals – E103

In this insightful episode, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey delve into practical strategies for deepening relationships and boosting sales without extensive outreach efforts. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with actionable tips to enhance your sales approach by focusing on the people you already know. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast: Daily Personalized Outreach: Dedicate a few minutes daily… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Daily Habits for Deepening Sales Relationships: A Guide for Busy Sales Professionals – E103

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Strategy Deep Dive: How to Align Offers with Client Expectations – E102

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey in a dynamic episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales,” where they dive deep into the essential elements of crafting an effective sales strategy. Whether you’re a sales newbie or a seasoned pro, this episode promises insights into refining your approach to acquiring new clients and boosting your sales performance. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast: Reflect on Your Client… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Strategy Deep Dive: How to Align Offers with Client Expectations – E102

Unstick Your Sales: The Importance of Understanding the Buyer’s Journey

It’s no secret that the dynamics between the buyer and the salesperson play a pivotal role in sealing the deal. The conversation often revolves around real sales issues, selling situations, and sales leadership. 

Let’s delve into a scenario. You’re selling to a beer industry manufacturer, and their first question is about your price. This immediate focus on cost might make you think this may not be a good prospect. However, it’s crucial to remember that you can’t be disrespectful or dismissive. As salespeople, it’s our job to work with what we have. 

In this situation, the salesperson has to conduct a discovery call and engage a subject matter expert to understand the prospect’s business process, adaptation, and conversion. Unfortunately, the interaction turned into a commodity exchange, with the buyer solely interested in the number of users and the price per user. 

This scenario illustrates a common challenge in sales: the sales and buying processes often need to align. How your Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is set up may not necessarily mirror how the buyer decides. Therefore, figuring out how to sell more effectively based on the buyer’s journey is crucial. Understanding the buyer is discussed in great detail in my book Eliminate Your Competition, which is available wherever you buy books.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Beyond the Basics: Elevating Sales Training with Effective Coaching – E101

Join Kevin and Sean as they dissect the common pitfalls of sales training and explore effective strategies to make learning stick. They share invaluable advice on how sales leaders can profoundly influence their teams’ performance through intentional coaching and robust training frameworks. This episode is a must-listen for sales professionals eager to elevate their game and harness the full potential of their training experiences.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From Microphones to Mountains – Reflecting on 100 Episodes of Sales Wisdom – E100

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey in this milestone 100th episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales.” They take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, revisiting the evolution of their podcast from simple LinkedIn live events to a thriving sales discussion platform on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. They delve into their personal growth, the transformative insights gained, and the invaluable lessons they’ve shared across 100 episodes. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: Additional Resources: Previous… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From Microphones to Mountains – Reflecting on 100 Episodes of Sales Wisdom – E100

Navigating Through Sales Slumps: A Strategic Approach for Sales Leaders

Like any other profession, sales is not immune to periods of underperformance or slumps. These periods can be particularly challenging when a top performer in your sales team is slumping. Addressing this issue effectively can significantly improve the productivity of your sales processes, ultimately leading to increased revenue for your company.

Various factors can trigger a sales slump, but it often implies a deviation from the sales process or strategy. Sales is a time-based process, not a transactional one. It involves selling to other businesses, which takes time. Therefore, as a sales leader or CEO, it’s crucial to identify when the sales trend starts to slide. This identification is not just about revenue; it requires a retrospective look at the early stages of a sale. If there aren’t enough leads or active relationships in your pipeline, you can foresee a slump and take proactive measures to change outcomes.

A common mistake is focusing on the revenue loss resulting from the effort expended. A more constructive approach is to evaluate the salesperson’s activities in the sales process. If they do the right things daily, they will quickly work out of the slump. The focus should be on maintaining an effective pipeline and executing all the necessary tasks, such as good scoping and discovery calls.

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