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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

The Right Person in the Right Seat: Unleashing Company Growth through Strategic Sales Leadership

A recurring issue for small companies has emerged; the company’s owner or CEO often leads the sales department. This might be because they believe no one else can sell their product or service better than they can. However, this mindset might be hampering the company’s growth potential.

If you’re a company owner or CEO who leads sales, it’s crucial to consider the risk of this approach. When the person leading the company also heads sales, the business is constrained by the amount of time that leader has. If your salespeople consistently wait for your input or response, you might face a growth opportunity and a challenge simultaneously.

The solution lies in de-risking your organization’s growth potential by getting a sales leader in the sales leadership seat separate from you. This concept resonates with the theory of constraints, a principle often applied in the manufacturing industry but equally applicable in sales. The theory of constraints focuses on identifying the factors that limit your success. 

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In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into the challenges and strategies of managing large sales territories, especially for teams with fewer than five sellers. Reflecting on their extensive sales careers, they explore the intricacies of balancing time, travel, and targeting the right clients when facing expansive regions. Kevin and Sean share actionable insights on refining the ideal client profile (ICP) and discuss how small business… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – The Art of Targeting: How Small Sales Teams Can Win Big in Expansive Territories – E111

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In this episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales,” hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the unique challenges and opportunities of hiring your second salesperson. Many small business owners face a pivotal moment when they bring on a sales team member who may know the company but not the ins and outs of professional selling. Join Kevin and Sean as they explore how to make the first and second salespeople truly effective, how… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – From First Sales Hire to Revenue Powerhouse: Essential Strategies for Business Owners – E110

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Empowering Non-Sales Employees to Boost Customer Value – E109

In this episode, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey, take listeners on a journey to understand the power of non-sales roles in supporting a sales-centric culture. Expanding on prior discussions about sales planning and execution, they explore how professionals outside the sales department—think programmers, customer service reps, delivery drivers, and even truckers—can play a pivotal role in enhancing client satisfaction and identifying new opportunities. Kevin and Sean dive into practical steps sales leaders can take… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Empowering Non-Sales Employees to Boost Customer Value – E109

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Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales! In this episode, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into the nuts and bolts of individual sales planning. This conversation moves beyond just hitting quotas—it’s about creating a personal strategy that drives you toward success. Whether you’re starting fresh in a new fiscal year or planning for growth, Kevin and Sean have you covered with actionable advice, real-world examples, and inspiration for developing your own… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Planning 101: How to Crush Your Quota and Grow New Accounts – E108

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Sales Plan That Works: Aligning Vision with Execution – E107

Join Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessy, your hosts on Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, as they delve into the crucial topic of building a comprehensive corporate sales plan. Fresh off last week’s enlightening episode with Richard Cogswell, Kevin and Sean are back to share actionable strategies for creating a robust sales plan that aligns with corporate goals, ensures sales team success, and drives growth. Whether you’re a VP of Sales or a business owner looking… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Sales Plan That Works: Aligning Vision with Execution – E107

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Mission-Led Sales Culture: Insights from Richard Cogswell – E106

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey sit down with Richard Cogswell, a 20-year sales veteran and author who leads the APAC region in the FinTech space. Richard shares his journey from commission-only sales in the insurance industry to becoming a B2B sales leader in the complex world of payments. Together, they discuss the critical importance of developing a mission-led culture, the pitfalls of sales leadership without… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Building a Mission-Led Sales Culture: Insights from Richard Cogswell – E106

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Success and Growing Pains: How to Build Systems That Scale – E104

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey explore the complexities of rapid sales growth. While many companies aspire to grow, not all are ready for the operational strain accompanying success. The hosts share insights on scaling systems, optimizing sales operations, and ensuring growth doesn’t break your business. This episode offers actionable strategies for businesses facing fast-paced expansion, from onboarding salespeople to expanding infrastructure. Key Topics Discussed: Key Quotes: A… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Sales Success and Growing Pains: How to Build Systems That Scale – E104

Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

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