Sales leadership

Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

By soshaughnessey

Have you ever wondered how a well-established manufacturing company can revolutionize its sales strategy? The journey of TriState Fabricators, a premier metal fabrication shop in the Midwest, offers compelling insights into this process. In a recent interview, I sat down with Joe Vogt, President and Owner, and Jonathon Padial, VP of Sales, to discuss their transformative experience.

With his 20-year tenure at TriState, Joe Vogt recognized the need for change to scale the business. The company’s sales approach was primarily reactive, relying on RFPs and inside sales personnel. But how do you shift from this traditional model to a proactive, growth-oriented strategy?

Enter the game-changers: a fractional VP of Sales, a robust CRM system, and comprehensive sales leadership training. These tools provided the structure and visibility that TriState had been lacking. Joe Vogt hired Sean O’Shaughnessey, CEO of New Sales Expert, to come in and revamp the sales organization and install best-in-class practices. Sean entered as the VP of Sales and quickly assessed the need to understand the deals better, so he installed Pipedrive as their CRM system. He also started to train the salespeople in the needed sales skills during L10-style meetings patterned after EOS L10 management meetings. To get closer to the biggest customers, the company started to have quarterly business reviews with the biggest and most profitable customers.

Vogt praises O’Shaughnessey several times in the full interview but at one place said, “So I look at Vistage as my board of directors essentially. You were an internal board member for me. I never met anybody with more sales knowledge in my life.”

After several months, Vogt and O’Shaughnessey agreed it was time for TSF to run autonomously and without Sean’s help. After an intense interview process, they hired Jonathon Padial to be Sean’s heir apparent in sales leadership. Coming from a software background, Jonathon continued the emphasis on Pipedrive and a structured sales process. “It’s allowed us to really capture more and for my team to see what’s coming in,” Padial noted. But is technology alone enough to drive change?

The fundamental transformation came from empowering the sales team. Vogt and Padial underwent Certified Sales Leadership (CSL) training, which Padial described as his “bible” for navigating leadership challenges. This training, coupled with their involvement in Vistage and implementing the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS), created a powerful trifecta for growth.

But how do you manage such significant changes in an established company culture? Vogt stressed the importance of communication and structure. “If you give structure with the change, it really helps. And you get the people to understand why you’re changing and what the benefits are going to be,” he explained. This approach has led to a more engaged and cohesive sales team than ever before.

Looking to the future, TriState Fabricators is poised for controlled, strategic growth. With plans to incorporate AI and new manufacturing technologies, they’re positioning themselves at the forefront of the industry. But as Padial reminded us, success in manufacturing isn’t just about technology – it’s about relationships and exceptional customer service.

Are you curious to hear more about TriState Fabricators’ journey and gain insights that could transform your business? The full video interview delves into their experiences, challenges, and strategies. It’s a must-watch for any business leader looking to drive growth and embrace organizational change. Don’t miss out on these valuable insights – check out the full interview today!

Unstick Your Sales: The Importance of Understanding the Buyer’s Journey

By soshaughnessey

It’s no secret that the dynamics between the buyer and the salesperson play a pivotal role in sealing the deal. The conversation often revolves around real sales issues, selling situations, and sales leadership.

Let’s delve into a scenario. You’re selling to a beer industry manufacturer, and their first question is about your price. This immediate focus on cost might make you think this may not be a good prospect. However, it’s crucial to remember that you can’t be disrespectful or dismissive. As salespeople, it’s our job to work with what we have.

In this situation, the salesperson has to conduct a discovery call and engage a subject matter expert to understand the prospect’s business process, adaptation, and conversion. Unfortunately, the interaction turned into a commodity exchange, with the buyer solely interested in the number of users and the price per user.

This scenario illustrates a common challenge in sales: the sales and buying processes often need to align. How your Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is set up may not necessarily mirror how the buyer decides. Therefore, figuring out how to sell more effectively based on the buyer’s journey is crucial. Understanding the buyer is discussed in great detail in my book Eliminate Your Competition, which is available wherever you buy books.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Destination Success: Mapping Your Sales Strategy with Precision – E97

By soshaughnessey

Join hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey as they dive into the intricacies of sales strategy, drawing parallels to planning a family vacation. As we edge closer to our 100th episode, this session unpacks why having a well-documented and aligned business plan is crucial—akin to knowing your vacation destination to ensure everything goes smoothly. Whether you’re a business owner or a sales professional, this episode provides vital insights into simplifying and aligning your sales strategy for maximum effectiveness.

Key Topics Discussed

Vacation Planning and Sales Goals (00:00 – 02:00): Sean compares vacation planning to setting sales goals, emphasizing the importance of a clear destination or objective.
Aligning Strategies Across Teams (02:01 – 03:47): Kevin explores how aligning individual, team, and organizational strategies can streamline efforts and enhance outcomes.
Simplifying the Sales Process (03:48 – 05:07): The conversation shifts towards simplifying the sales process to make it easy to understand, teach, and implement.
Setting Realistic Goals and Expectations (05:08 – 07:00): Sean stresses the necessity of setting achievable goals that reflect the company’s operational capabilities and strategic direction.
Operational Alignment with Sales Targets (07:01 – 09:00): The discussion touches on ensuring operational capabilities can support the sales targets set.

Key Quotes

Sean (01:44): “Just like when you’re planning your vacation, you kind of have to make sure everybody understands that we are going to get on a plane on this date, at this time.”
Kevin (03:01): “People spend more time thinking about their vacation than they do about their sales strategy. And that’s a miss, but it’s one that we can quickly and simply fix.”

Summary

In this enlightening episode, Kevin and Sean draw an engaging analogy between planning a vacation and formulating a sales strategy. They emphasize the importance of clear goals, alignment across the organization, and simplicity in execution. The hosts share personal anecdotes and decades of sales leadership experience, demonstrating how thoughtful planning can lead to predictable and successful sales outcomes. Tune in to gain actionable insights that could transform your approach to sales strategy. Download this episode of “Two Tall Guys Talking Sales” on your favorite podcast platform today, and don’t forget to subscribe for more valuable discussions!

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Driving Sales Success through Collaborative Learning and Knowledge Sharing

By soshaughnessey

Aiming to increase revenue and boost productivity in sales processes, sales managers and company CEOs are constantly searching for effective strategies to streamline their operations and ensure optimal results. One such strategy involves conducting sales meetings for educational purposes. These meetings focus on enhancing knowledge and skills, and this is where the real game begins.

Imagine a sales meeting where, instead of a mundane round-up of weekly activities, there’s an engaging discussion about a new book that can potentially revolutionize the sales process. Picture a team of four or five salespeople, including you, each reading two chapters of a book overnight. The next day, everyone shares the high-level takeaways from their assigned chapters. This practice allows the team to consume an entire book’s content in a day and empowers each member to become an authority on the subject matter because they’re teaching others. The exercise is educational, promotes team collaboration, and enhances communication skills.

This approach can be extended beyond books to other areas, such as market research. For instance, if a company is looking to enter a new vertical, different aspects of the industry, like market influencers, challenges, and political, economic, and legal factors, can be assigned to team members for research. Each member returns their findings to the team, comprehensively understanding the new market. This practice is not merely busy work; it’s sales-driving work that benefits the entire team and accelerates learning about the new market.

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Maximizing Sales Team Productivity: The Importance of Effective Sales Meetings

By soshaughnessey

Numerous factors can contribute to a sales team’s success or failure. Two key aspects that are often overlooked yet hold immense importance are the structure and content of sales meetings. These gatherings are not just about reporting numbers or discussing targets. They are platforms for learning, sharing, and strategizing that can significantly boost a sales team’s performance.

One of the fundamental principles of a productive sales meeting is having a clear plan. This doesn’t mean having a rigid agenda without room for spontaneity. On the contrary, it’s about having a framework that guides the discussion and ensures that the meeting stays focused on the key topics at hand.

A common mistake many sales leaders make is covering too many topics in a single meeting. In an attempt to address every issue, they often skim the surface of each topic without delving deep into any. The result is a meeting lacking depth and tangible insights or solutions. Limiting the number of key topics to one or two per meeting is advisable to avoid this. This allows for a more in-depth discussion and a better understanding of the issues at hand.

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From Crisis to Control: Managing Expectations in Sales Leadership

By soshaughnessey

The concept of “managing up” emphasizes the importance of aligning a sales team’s objectives with the expectations of upper management. This approach is particularly crucial during periods of sales turnaround, where the usual metrics might falter and innovative, agile responses are required.

“Managing up” involves treating higher management as an internal customer whose needs must be understood and met with the same diligence as those of external clients. For sales leaders, this means crafting a clear, actionable plan that communicates the steps necessary to achieve desired outcomes—often under the scrutinizing pressure of performance metrics. This strategic outline helps ensure that everyone, from the CEO to the sales floor, understands what success looks like in practical terms and is committed to the collective goal.

Moreover, the process of managing expectations is not static; it requires continual adjustment and communication. This dynamic approach allows a sales team to pivot quickly in response to evolving market conditions or internal challenges without losing sight of the overall objectives. Sales leaders are advised to articulate the goals and how they plan to achieve them, breaking down the journey into manageable, measurable milestones.

In a successful sales turnaround, it is crucial to set realistic goals that are both ambitious and achievable. This involves a deep understanding of the company’s current position and a candid assessment of what can realistically be accomplished in a given timeframe. The emphasis on SMART (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant, Time-bound) goals ensures that targets are not just aspirational but grounded in the reality of the company’s operational capabilities and market conditions.

Sales turnarounds also necessitate focusing on internal processes and behaviors rather than just end results. A sales leader must foster an environment where the team understands that their daily activities—their behaviors and strategies—are as critical to turning around sales figures as the numbers themselves. This approach helps build a resilient team capable of sustaining performance even when external conditions are challenging.

Celebrating small wins and maintaining morale during a turnaround is vital. It ensures that the team remains motivated and committed to the company’s long-term vision. Recognizing individual and team contributions reinforces a positive, collaborative culture, essential for navigating periods of uncertainty.

Finally, managing up during a turnaround is not merely about staying afloat but setting the stage for future growth. It involves understanding where the company needs to be and how to get there by working backward from the desired outcome. This methodical approach to problem-solving, coupled with effective communication and realistic goal-setting, forms the backbone of a successful sales strategy that can lead a company out of a downturn and towards a prosperous future.

Managing up is as critical as managing down for sales leaders and managers. It requires a balance of strategic foresight, operational excellence, and the interpersonal skills needed to guide a team through complex challenges. This balanced approach secures short-term objectives and paves the way for sustained success and stability.

Here are a few actionable items that a sales leader can do today to enhance management strategies and foster a successful sales turnaround:

Define Clear Objectives:
- Set aside time today to outline your sales team’s specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time-bound (SMART) goals. Ensure these goals are aligned with upper management’s expectations and communicate them clearly to your team.
Improve Internal Communication:
- Schedule a meeting with your manager or upper management to discuss current sales strategies and performance. Use this opportunity to clarify expectations, receive feedback, and adjust your strategies as needed.
Foster Team Engagement:
- Organize a brief team meeting to celebrate recent successes, no matter how small. Use this time to reinforce the team’s role in the larger company objectives, boosting morale and commitment to the turnaround process.
Assess and Adjust Processes:
- Conduct a quick audit of your current sales processes and identify any immediate inefficiencies that could be hindering your team’s performance. Initiate the steps to refine these processes, involving your team for insights and suggestions.

Proactive Coaching: The Key to Unlocking Exceptional Sales Performance

By soshaughnessey

A shift is occurring away from simply correcting problems after they’ve happened toward a more proactive and developmental approach to coaching sales teams. This evolution in strategy empowers sales leaders, CEOs, and managers to not only meet but also exceed their targets through effective team management and personal development.

The concept of continuous improvement in sales begins with a focus on coaching. Unlike traditional reactive methods, modern sales leadership emphasizes coaching as a tool for ongoing development rather than merely correcting errors. This proactive coaching involves setting strategic goals with sales teams and using performance reviews—not as a critique but as a platform for growth and future planning. This method mirrors practices from top professionals in various fields who, regardless of their success, regularly receive coaching to enhance their performance.

Applying a coaching mindset to sales involves recognizing each team member’s individual needs and strengths. This personalized approach ensures that all team members, from the highest performers to those who might be struggling, receive the guidance they need to improve. The dialogue between a sales leader and their team shifts from what went wrong to what can be optimized, fostering a culture of continuous learning and adaptation.

An important part of this coaching process is the practical application of strategic planning, such as using quarterly business reviews (QBRs) to assess past performance and set proactive goals for future achievements. These sessions provide a structured framework for both leaders and salespeople to reflect on successes, learn from challenges, and plan actionable steps for ongoing improvement.

Leadership in sales also extends beyond internal team dynamics to personal development. Sales leaders are encouraged to invest in their own skills and capabilities to better serve their teams. This commitment to personal growth is crucial as it models the importance of lifelong learning to their teams, thereby instilling a similar mindset in their salespeople.

Effective sales leadership thus requires a dual focus: enhancing the team’s capabilities while simultaneously improving one’s own leadership skills. This approach not only achieves better sales outcomes but also builds a more resilient and adaptive sales organization, where both leaders and team members are committed to continuous improvement and excellence in their craft.

The role of a sales leader today is not just about managing a team but about actively participating in and fostering an environment of growth and excellence. By adopting a coaching mentality and focusing on both team and personal development, sales leaders can create dynamic teams that meet their current sales targets and are equipped to handle future challenges, ensuring sustained success and growth in the competitive market.

Here are a few actionable suggestions that a sales leader can do today!

Schedule a Strategic Coaching Session: Identify a sales team member who could benefit from targeted coaching. Set up a one-to-one meeting for this week, focusing not on past shortcomings but on potential growth areas and setting actionable goals.
Review and Refine Sales Metrics: Take a closer look at the metrics currently used to evaluate your team’s performance. Consider whether these truly capture the critical drivers of success or if they need adjustment to better reflect and promote your sales organization’s strategic goals.
Initiate a Personal Development Plan: Reflect on your own leadership skills and identify areas for personal growth. Commit to a specific action, such as enrolling in a leadership workshop, starting a new book on advanced sales strategies, or scheduling regular check-ins with a mentor to enhance your leadership effectiveness.

Boosting Business Performance: Integrating Sales and Marketing Efforts

By soshaughnessey

The symbiotic relationship between sales and marketing is more crucial than ever. This dynamic duo drives the revenue generation engine, which is especially crucial when businesses are keen to set a positive trajectory.

Marketing’s influence cannot be understated. It often shapes the business’s success months in advance. Strategies implemented by marketing today can significantly impact revenue streams later in the year. Therefore, it’s essential for sales and marketing to align and integrate their processes to ensure that marketing efforts translate into tangible sales results.

In this context, sales enablement emerges as a key strategy, bridging marketing initiatives and sales execution. By segmenting the customer journey into three categories—leads, prospects, and customers—both teams can tailor their strategies to effectively move individuals through the sales funnel. Marketing focuses on generating awareness and attracting leads, while sales teams convert these leads into qualified prospects and, ultimately, loyal customers.

The conversation around leads often circles back to the quality of leads generated by marketing and the clarity with which sales teams define what constitutes a ‘good lead.’ This mutual understanding and cooperative process streamline efforts and ensure that marketing is not just generating leads but the right leads.

Moreover, discussing the effectiveness versus efficiency in marketing strategies can significantly refine the targeting process. Marketing must be efficient and effective, emphasizing the right messaging and content that resonates with the ideal client profile (ICP). This approach ensures that the prospects entering the sales pipeline are more likely to convert as they align closely with the business’s target demographic.

A noteworthy strategy for enhancing this alignment is developing a concise value selling proposition. This tool aids marketing teams in crafting messages that encapsulate what the business does in a clear, compelling manner, which sales teams can then leverage to engage and convert leads effectively.

For smaller businesses or those without extensive in-house marketing teams, sales leadership can strategically define and refine marketing strategies. Questions like “Why do people pay us?” or “What differentiates us from our competition?” can ignite discussions pinpointing the business’s core value. Engaging directly with customers to understand why they chose and continue to choose your company provides invaluable insights that can shape future marketing and sales strategies.

Ultimately, the integration of sales and marketing is not merely about aligning goals but about creating a cohesive strategy that utilizes the strengths of each to optimize the customer journey. Whether it involves developing compelling content that speaks directly to the needs of potential clients or refining the sales process to highlight the value over features, each element is crucial in building a robust sales and marketing framework that attracts and retains customers.

For businesses looking to deepen their understanding of this integral relationship, embracing discussions around sales enablement, value proposition, and customer feedback is essential. These elements are not just isolated tactics but parts of a comprehensive approach that can dramatically improve how businesses attract and maintain their customer base, ensuring sustained growth and success.

Company leaders can start implementing some of these topics today!

Evaluate Your Current Sales and Marketing Alignment: Take the time today to review how your sales and marketing teams are currently aligned. Identify any gaps in communication or process and schedule a meeting to discuss these findings with both teams. This will help set the stage for improved collaboration and efficiency.
Define Your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP): If you haven’t already, work on defining or refining your ICP. This involves gathering insights from your sales and marketing teams to ensure the profile accurately reflects the customers most likely to buy and benefit from your product or service. This alignment is critical for targeting and attracting the right leads.
Develop a Concise Value Proposition: Collaborate with key stakeholders from both teams to craft a clear, compelling value proposition that communicates the unique benefits of your offerings. This should be a concise statement that potential customers can easily communicate and understand, guiding your marketing content and sales pitches.
Solicit Customer Feedback: Contact a select group of new and long-term customers to gather feedback on why they chose your company and why they stay. Use this feedback to adjust your sales strategies and marketing messages, ensuring they resonate deeply with your target audience and reflect the actual value you provide.

Optimizing Sales Territories for Growth and Efficiency

By soshaughnessey

Territory design is critical for ensuring efficient revenue generation and optimal team performance. Sales leaders, especially those at the helm of small—to mid-sized companies, must revisit and potentially recalibrate their territory strategies to accommodate growth and maintain competitiveness.

Effective territory management starts with a clear understanding of the business landscape. Ensuring that each salesperson has a viable area with ample opportunity is crucial. This may sound straightforward but involves a delicate balance of geographic and customer-based considerations. For instance, some businesses might operate on a model where territories are defined by customer types or specific named accounts, which could include focusing on a set number of businesses to target. On the other hand, more geographically expansive businesses might allocate territories based on regions, such as counties or states, depending on their size and scope.

Moreover, there’s an art to knowing when and how to split or expand territories without diluting the quality of customer relationships or the sales team’s morale. For example, if a territory becomes too large and unwieldy, it might necessitate division to maintain or increase effectiveness. However, this division must be approached with sensitivity and strategy, ensuring it does not merely become a means to reduce commission costs but rather a method to enhance coverage and customer engagement.

The challenge often lies in the execution. Realigning territories can be as complex as managing a new product launch or entering a new market. Factors such as supply chain logistics, warranty services, and resource allocation must all be considered to ensure the new territory design supports immediate sales goals and long-term business growth.

Sales leaders must also be adept at navigating the internal dynamics of territory adjustments. For instance, a well-performing salesperson might view the reduction of their territory as a punitive measure, rather than an opportunity to enhance focus and potentially increase earnings from a more concentrated area. It is crucial for management to communicate effectively, ensuring that the team understands these changes are aimed at optimizing the entire sales process and enhancing their ability to meet customer needs more effectively.

Ultimately, the goal of territory design should align with the overarching business strategy aimed at growth and sustainability. This includes not only deciding the physical or conceptual boundaries of each territory but also ensuring that each sales team member is positioned to succeed, supported by robust training and resources, and motivated by a clear understanding of their role in the company’s broader objectives.

As companies prepare for another business cycle, revisiting the principles of effective territory management could be the key to unlocking new levels of success and stability. This strategic approach helps maintain a competitive edge and supports a healthy, dynamic sales culture that adapts to the changing landscapes of industries and markets.

Actionable suggestions that sales managers can do today:

Conduct a Territory Audit: Review your current sales territories by evaluating sales data, customer distribution, and team feedback. Identify areas where territories may be too large or too small and assess the potential for restructuring to improve coverage and salesperson efficiency. This will help you understand if your current design aligns with optimal market coverage and team capabilities.
Initiate a Team Discussion: Meet your sales team to discuss the current territory alignment. Use this opportunity to gather insights directly from those on the ground about their territories’ challenges and opportunities. This feedback is invaluable for making informed decisions about potential territory realignments or adjustments to meet customer needs and company goals.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Empowered by ESOP: Enhancing Sales Management in Employee-Owned Firms with Wisdom by Marc Metz – E83

By soshaughnessey

In this enlightening episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey continue their engaging dialogue with Marc Metz, a seasoned expert in the sales and business transition arena. Building on the momentum of their previous conversation, they delve into the intricacies of transitioning a business through an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). Marc shares firsthand experiences and practical insights, making this a must-listen for business owners contemplating a transition that rewards employees and preserves the company’s legacy.

Key Topics Discussed

The ESOP Transition Model: An exploration of the ESOP as a unique strategy for business transition, focusing on its structure, benefits, and challenges. Marc shares a compelling case study of a construction company making this significant shift.
Management and Structural Challenges: Discusses the critical need for a clear management structure post-transition, emphasizing the importance of placing the right people in the right positions and avoiding the pitfalls of rapid corporatization.
Preparation and Strategy: Offers valuable advice on preparing for an ESOP transition, including the slow and deliberate evaluation of candidates for leadership roles within the new ownership structure.
Sales Team Dynamics Post-Transition: Examines the sales team’s role during and after the transition to employee ownership, highlighting strategies to rejuvenate and realign sales efforts with the company’s new direction.

Key Quotes

Kevin: “It’s interesting that we talk about helping people avoid landmines. So Sean and I use a lot of our past experience to talk about where we skinned our knees so that others don’t have to.”
Sean: “I’m a big believer in three salespeople become four, four become five, five becomes six. And you use that existing run rate that you got from the first three, first four, first five to pay for that next one. And you grow profitably by doing that.”
Marc: “Go slow. I’ll tell you one thing is if the owner can do it three to five years before they’re actually ready to sell, it’s going to provide dividends to them and they’re going to have a better multiple more money in their pocket.”

Additional Resources

Traction by Gino Wickman: Recommended reading for listeners interested in understanding the EOS model and the GWC concept (Get it, Want it, Capacity to do it) that Marc references during the discussion. https://a.co/d/eE4MhQj

Summary

For any business owner pondering the path to employee ownership, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge, cautionary tales, and strategic advice. Through Marc Metz’s experienced lens, listeners gain an understanding of the ESOP model’s complexities, the importance of careful planning and execution, and the pivotal role of sales leadership in navigating a business’s transition. Whether you’re in the early stages of considering an ESOP or looking to optimize your sales team post-transition, this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales is invaluable. Tune in to equip yourself with the insights needed to ensure a smooth and successful transition to employee ownership.