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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Management Masterclass: Paul Rafferty’s Proven Framework for Smarter Deal Reviews and Revenue Generation – Episode 159

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this dynamic episode, the Tall Guys welcome Paul Rafferty from Sales Xceleration to explore the art and science of sales coaching, deal qualification, and the importance of building sales acumen. Paul brings decades of experience in sales management, value selling, and revenue generation, offering a practical framework for sales leaders who want to coach their teams more effectively and for reps who want to stop chasing the wrong deals.

Discover how to transform your team’s approach to sales processes—from opportunity scoring to understanding a buyer’s “pain chain.” This conversation is packed with actionable insights that blend sales strategy, business acumen, and real-world stories you can immediately apply to your own selling environment.

Key Topics Discussed

  • 03:00 — Building a Deal Coaching Framework:
    Paul introduces his 100-point scorecard system that evaluates the Ideal Prospect Profile, the Pain Chain, and Commitment to Decision. This framework transforms deal reviews into powerful coaching sessions rather than mere forecast updates.
  • 05:10 — The “Pain Chain” and Sales Philosophy:
    Sean and Paul discuss how understanding buyer pain isn’t optional—it’s foundational to value selling. Without real pain, there’s no compelling reason for your buyer to act.
  • 06:45 — From Friendly to Effective Salesperson:
    Paul and Sean discuss how friendliness can open doors, but it’s teaching and insight that ultimately win deals. Sales success comes from challenging your prospects and helping them think differently.
  • 08:00 — Why Deals Get Stuck:
    Kevin and Paul explore how most stalled deals trace back to weak discovery. Coaching your team to go deeper early in the sales process prevents gridlock later.
  • 10:30 — The Currency of Knowledge:
    Paul explains that in modern selling, gifts and lunches no longer move the needle—information does. Great salespeople earn influence by being teachers, not vendors.

Key Quotes

  • Paul Rafferty (03:50):
    “It’s not what you do—it’s what they do. The scorecard helps you coach reps to spend time where there’s real buying intent, not just big logos.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (05:43):
    “Salespeople need to understand the theory of sales. Without knowing the frameworks—like the pain chain or solution selling—you’re just saying, ‘I’m a nice guy, buy from me.’”
  • Kevin Lawson (08:38):
    “Most deals go to die in the discovery phase. Coaching means rewinding the tape and helping reps fix what wasn’t done early enough.”
  • Paul Rafferty (12:51):
    “Your currency is information—help your buyer look smart, get promoted, and win internally. That’s real value selling.”

Additional Resources

  • Paul Rafferty
    • prafferty@salesxceleration.com 
    • https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauljrafferty/
  • Books referenced:
    • Solution Selling by Michael Bosworth – https://a.co/d/hHtYSiX
    • The Challenger Sale by Matthew Dixon & Brent Adamson – https://a.co/d/2kJsbDU
    • Strategic Selling by Robert Miller & Stephen Heiman – https://a.co/d/icPcC6H

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Implement a Deal Coaching Scorecard.
Instead of subjective forecasting (“This deal is 70% likely to close”), create an objective scoring model based on:

  1. Ideal Prospect Fit (25 pts) – Does this prospect align with your best customer profile?
  2. Pain Chain (25 pts) – Have they admitted to a real, solvable pain?
  3. Commitment to Decision (50 pts) – Have they engaged decision-makers and committed to next steps?

Use this tool in your next pipeline review. It will sharpen your sales management coaching, improve revenue forecasting, and elevate your team’s overall sales success. If you want more information about this scorecard, reach out to Paul Rafferty at his address above.

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Choosing the Right AI Stack for Your Sales Organization

A VP of Sales recently confided in me: “We have six different AI tools, but our reps are still doing manual work. What went wrong?”

This is the AI tool proliferation problem. Sales leaders often collect tools without a strategy, mistaking a pile of features for a cohesive system. It’s like buying a hammer, screwdriver, saw, and drill without realizing you’re actually trying to build a house. An effective AI stack means integration. When tools work together, they amplify each other’s value. When they don’t, they add complexity, confusion, and wasted money.

Why Strategy Beats Random Adoption

Random tool adoption is rampant across sales organizations. Teams chase shiny new software, often ending up with overlapping features, siloed data, and productivity lost to tool-switching. Instead of solving problems, the stack itself becomes the problem.

But when built strategically, the benefits are profound. Integrated systems reduce manual data entry, accelerate response times, and deliver actionable insights for reps. Three well-chosen, well-connected tools can outperform six isolated ones. Integrated stacks also improve adoption rates by providing consistent interfaces and reducing training overhead.

The Five-Layer AI Stack Framework

To avoid the chaos of random adoption, I use a five-layer framework for structuring sales AI tools:

  1. Data Foundation – Your CRM and data management system, enriched and maintained for accuracy.
  2. Intelligence & Analytics – AI-driven insights, lead scoring, forecasting, and market intelligence.
  3. Automation & Workflow – Sequences, task automation, and cross-platform orchestration.
  4. Content & Communication – AI writing, proposal generation, and customer-facing tools.
  5. Optimization & Learning – Conversation analysis, performance tracking, and continuous improvement.
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Mastering Sales Channels: How to Align Your Strategy for Maximum Impact

Understanding the dynamics of sales channels can transform how businesses approach their markets. Many sales professionals, whether they are salespeople, managers, or CEOs, often miss a critical distinction: the difference between the product they are selling and the value it provides. 

This gap in understanding can lead to suboptimal sales performance, particularly in environments where products are sold through intermediaries, such as distributors, referral partners, or dealer networks. The challenge is not just about knowing your product, but also about understanding how to position it in a way that resonates with every player in the sales chain.

Sales success starts with recognizing who your true customer is. In sales management or channel sales, the end customer is often not the person you interact with directly. Instead, your “customer” might be the intermediary, your distributor, reseller, or even your own sales team. These intermediaries are the ones who ultimately connect your product to its final user. If you don’t understand their challenges, motivations, and context, you risk failing to equip them with the necessary tools to succeed. Are you selling a product’s features, or are you helping them understand how to sell it effectively? This distinction is vital.

When selling through intermediaries, the emphasis should shift from “what the product does” to “how the product can be sold.” Your distributors or referral partners don’t need every technical detail of your product. They need clarity on how it solves problems for their customers, how it fits into their existing offerings, and how they can position it to drive sales. 

The goal is not to overwhelm your partners with information but to provide actionable insights that align with their specific needs. If you’re focusing solely on product features, you’re likely missing the mark.

Salespeople and sales managers must also recognize the game they are playing. Are you selling a commodity, a widely available product, or an exclusive offering? Each scenario demands a different strategy. 

Commodities often compete on price, necessitating bulk sales or value-added services to differentiate themselves. Widely available products often rely on relationships, service quality, or unique add-ons to differentiate themselves. Exclusive products, on the other hand, can often avoid price wars by emphasizing their uniqueness and superior quality. Knowing which game you’re in allows you to tailor your approach and avoid misaligned strategies.

For small businesses and solopreneurs, the challenge lies in effectively managing referral partners. Referral partnerships are a powerful way to generate leads, but they require careful management and oversight. 

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Comp Plans to Territory Alignment: Sales Strategies Every Leader Needs for Revenue Generation – Episode 153

As the year draws to a close, sales leaders and business owners face a critical challenge: preparing for growth in the year ahead. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into sales management strategies that set the stage for long-term sales success. From refining compensation plans and aligning territories to planning product lifecycles and avoiding the dreaded “hockey stick” growth trap, this conversation is packed with insights on business acumen, value selling, and revenue generation strategies that every sales leader should master.

Key Topics Discussed

  • 01:00 – Planning Beyond This Year: Why sales leaders need to start preparing now for next year’s revenue generation and sales processes.
  • 02:11 – Building Smarter Compensation Plans: Evaluating and refining comp structures to drive sales success and attract top talent.
  • 03:13 – Product Lifecycle & AI Readiness: How shifts in markets and technology demand updates to your offerings and messaging.
  • 05:00 – Departmental Alignment for Growth: Understanding how revenue management and sales growth affect every department in your business.
  • 07:12 – Right People, Right Roles: Assessing whether your sales team is positioned for success in the next stage of your growth plan.
  • 11:20 – Avoiding the “Hockey Stick” Trap: Why spreading growth evenly across years is a better long-term sales strategy.

Key Quotes

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (01:07): “If I asked you to write out your three-year plan, next year already knocks off the first year. Are you one-third of the way there, or do you need to rethink your path?”
  • Kevin Lawson (02:33): “Be planning ahead. Compensation plans aren’t a set-and-forget item—you need to revisit them every year to make sure they’re delivering the right results.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (07:59): “Do I have the right people in the right place in my sales organization for next year? Not every salesperson has to leave, but maybe their role needs to evolve.”
  • Kevin Lawson (11:38): “You don’t want that third year of your plan to be a hockey stick. Don’t put yourself in a position where you suddenly need 40% growth in one year to hit your goals.”

Additional Resources

  • B2B Sales Lab: A peer community for sales leaders and professionals to sharpen strategies, exchange best practices, and get actionable feedback.
  • EOS Framework: For leaders who want to align messaging, sales strategies, and revenue management with long-term goals.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Review and finalize your sales compensation plans by December 1st. This gives your team enough time to digest changes, ask questions, and align their sales strategies before the new year begins. Waiting until January leaves your salespeople unprepared, which can delay revenue generation and momentum.

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AI Isn’t Replacing Salespeople, It’s Giving Them a Competitive Edge

AI isn’t replacing salespeople, it’s making them more effective. The real risk isn’t losing your job to AI; it’s losing to a competitor who uses AI better than you do. Sales professionals who integrate AI into their workflow will outperform those who don’t. 

It’s not about technology taking over but about using technology to gain an edge. The market is becoming increasingly competitive, and the most efficient salespeople will emerge victorious.

Time is a salesperson’s most valuable asset. 

Every minute spent on administrative tasks is a minute not spent selling. AI helps reclaim those lost hours. Tools that automate writing, scheduling, and research allow salespeople to focus on what matters: building relationships and closing deals. If you’re not leveraging AI to increase productivity, you’re leaving opportunities on the table.

Sales emails need to be clear and professional. AI-powered writing assistants ensure your messages are polished and effective. A poorly written email can cost you a deal. AI tools catch grammatical mistakes, improve clarity, and even suggest more effective phrasing. This isn’t just about looking professional; it’s about being understood. 

If your message isn’t clear, it won’t convert.

Presentations are another time-consuming task. AI can generate professional decks in minutes. Instead of spending hours designing slides, salespeople can focus on developing effective strategies. AI-powered tools create branded, structured presentations based on simple inputs. This ensures consistency while saving time. Sales professionals who utilize AI for presentations can focus on delivering insights rather than formatting slides.

CRM systems are the backbone of sales operations. AI enhances CRM by automating data entry, tracking customer interactions, and suggesting next steps. Salespeople often struggle with keeping CRM data updated. AI reduces this friction by automatically capturing and organizing information. A well-maintained CRM leads to better forecasting and stronger customer relationships. 

If your CRM doesn’t have AI capabilities, it’s time to upgrade.

AI-driven insights enable sales managers to make more informed decisions, rather than relying on instinct. Managers can use AI to analyze performance trends, identify coaching opportunities, and predict revenue outcomes. AI doesn’t replace leadership; it enhances it. 

Sales managers who adopt AI can build stronger teams and achieve better results. Ignoring AI in sales management is a strategic mistake.

Lead generation is another area where AI adds value. AI-powered tools can analyze vast amounts of data to identify high-potential prospects. Instead of spending hours researching leads, salespeople can receive AI-generated recommendations. This allows for more targeted outreach and higher conversion rates. AI doesn’t just find leads, it finds the right leads.

Sales follow-up is often inconsistent. AI ensures follow-ups happen at the right time with the right message. Automated reminders and AI-generated responses keep deals moving forward. 

A well-timed follow-up can be the difference between closing a deal and losing it. AI helps salespeople stay on top of their pipeline without relying on memory.

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From Manual to Automated: A Sales Pro’s Guide to Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream

A sales manager recently told me something that stuck: “We went from twenty hours per week of manual work to two hours. Our lead response time dropped from four hours to four minutes.” That dramatic transformation wasn’t magic—it was automation. The reality is that sales teams today have more automation tools available than ever before. But with options like Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream, the real challenge isn’t whether you should automate—it’s choosing the right… From Manual to Automated: A Sales Pro’s Guide to Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream

AI in B2B Sales Isn’t Optional Anymore

Several months ago, I was serving as a fractional VP of Sales for a $50 million manufacturing company. Their top salesperson was a 15-year veteran who knew the industry inside and out. Yet he was consistently being outsold by a competitor’s much newer hire. At first, it didn’t make sense until we discovered the reason. The competitor’s rep wasn’t just more energetic or aggressive. They were AI-enabled. While my client’s rep was manually scrolling LinkedIn… AI in B2B Sales Isn’t Optional Anymore

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales Management Insights for Growth-Focused Teams – Episode 138

In this week’s episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey are joined by the “Elder Statesman” of fractional sales management: John Lee. With nearly four decades of experience and a deep track record of helping companies hire top-performing sales professionals, John shares a masterclass in sales hiring strategy. Whether you’re scaling from a two-person team to ten or trying to avoid costly hiring mistakes, this episode delivers practical, field-tested advice… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Sales Hiring with John Lee – Sales Management Insights for Growth-Focused Teams – Episode 138

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this episode, the tall guys dive deep into one of the most critical yet commonly broken elements in any sales organization: the sales funnel. Whether you’re stuck with a clunky three-stage process that tells you nothing or overwhelmed with 35 micro-stages that only confuse your reps, Sean and Kevin offer a practical guide to rethinking and rebuilding your pipeline… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Fixing the Funnel – Building a Sales Pipeline That Actually Works – E130