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Unlocking Growth: How TriState Fabricators Transformed Their Sales Approach

By soshaughnessey

Have you ever wondered how a well-established manufacturing company can revolutionize its sales strategy? The journey of TriState Fabricators, a premier metal fabrication shop in the Midwest, offers compelling insights into this process. In a recent interview, I sat down with Joe Vogt, President and Owner, and Jonathon Padial, VP of Sales, to discuss their transformative experience.

With his 20-year tenure at TriState, Joe Vogt recognized the need for change to scale the business. The company’s sales approach was primarily reactive, relying on RFPs and inside sales personnel. But how do you shift from this traditional model to a proactive, growth-oriented strategy?

Enter the game-changers: a fractional VP of Sales, a robust CRM system, and comprehensive sales leadership training. These tools provided the structure and visibility that TriState had been lacking. Joe Vogt hired Sean O’Shaughnessey, CEO of New Sales Expert, to come in and revamp the sales organization and install best-in-class practices. Sean entered as the VP of Sales and quickly assessed the need to understand the deals better, so he installed Pipedrive as their CRM system. He also started to train the salespeople in the needed sales skills during L10-style meetings patterned after EOS L10 management meetings. To get closer to the biggest customers, the company started to have quarterly business reviews with the biggest and most profitable customers.

Vogt praises O’Shaughnessey several times in the full interview but at one place said, “So I look at Vistage as my board of directors essentially. You were an internal board member for me. I never met anybody with more sales knowledge in my life.”

After several months, Vogt and O’Shaughnessey agreed it was time for TSF to run autonomously and without Sean’s help. After an intense interview process, they hired Jonathon Padial to be Sean’s heir apparent in sales leadership. Coming from a software background, Jonathon continued the emphasis on Pipedrive and a structured sales process. “It’s allowed us to really capture more and for my team to see what’s coming in,” Padial noted. But is technology alone enough to drive change?

The fundamental transformation came from empowering the sales team. Vogt and Padial underwent Certified Sales Leadership (CSL) training, which Padial described as his “bible” for navigating leadership challenges. This training, coupled with their involvement in Vistage and implementing the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS), created a powerful trifecta for growth.

But how do you manage such significant changes in an established company culture? Vogt stressed the importance of communication and structure. “If you give structure with the change, it really helps. And you get the people to understand why you’re changing and what the benefits are going to be,” he explained. This approach has led to a more engaged and cohesive sales team than ever before.

Looking to the future, TriState Fabricators is poised for controlled, strategic growth. With plans to incorporate AI and new manufacturing technologies, they’re positioning themselves at the forefront of the industry. But as Padial reminded us, success in manufacturing isn’t just about technology – it’s about relationships and exceptional customer service.

Are you curious to hear more about TriState Fabricators’ journey and gain insights that could transform your business? The full video interview delves into their experiences, challenges, and strategies. It’s a must-watch for any business leader looking to drive growth and embrace organizational change. Don’t miss out on these valuable insights – check out the full interview today!

Unstick Your Sales: The Importance of Understanding the Buyer’s Journey

By soshaughnessey

It’s no secret that the dynamics between the buyer and the salesperson play a pivotal role in sealing the deal. The conversation often revolves around real sales issues, selling situations, and sales leadership.

Let’s delve into a scenario. You’re selling to a beer industry manufacturer, and their first question is about your price. This immediate focus on cost might make you think this may not be a good prospect. However, it’s crucial to remember that you can’t be disrespectful or dismissive. As salespeople, it’s our job to work with what we have.

In this situation, the salesperson has to conduct a discovery call and engage a subject matter expert to understand the prospect’s business process, adaptation, and conversion. Unfortunately, the interaction turned into a commodity exchange, with the buyer solely interested in the number of users and the price per user.

This scenario illustrates a common challenge in sales: the sales and buying processes often need to align. How your Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is set up may not necessarily mirror how the buyer decides. Therefore, figuring out how to sell more effectively based on the buyer’s journey is crucial. Understanding the buyer is discussed in great detail in my book Eliminate Your Competition, which is available wherever you buy books.

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Navigating Through Sales Slumps: A Strategic Approach for Sales Leaders

By soshaughnessey

Like any other profession, sales is not immune to periods of underperformance or slumps. These periods can be particularly challenging when a top performer in your sales team is slumping. Addressing this issue effectively can significantly improve the productivity of your sales processes, ultimately leading to increased revenue for your company.

Various factors can trigger a sales slump, but it often implies a deviation from the sales process or strategy. Sales is a time-based process, not a transactional one. It involves selling to other businesses, which takes time. Therefore, as a sales leader or CEO, it’s crucial to identify when the sales trend starts to slide. This identification is not just about revenue; it requires a retrospective look at the early stages of a sale. If there aren’t enough leads or active relationships in your pipeline, you can foresee a slump and take proactive measures to change outcomes.

A common mistake is focusing on the revenue loss resulting from the effort expended. A more constructive approach is to evaluate the salesperson’s activities in the sales process. If they do the right things daily, they will quickly work out of the slump. The focus should be on maintaining an effective pipeline and executing all the necessary tasks, such as good scoping and discovery calls.

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Designing Sales Compensation Plans That Drive Performance

By soshaughnessey

The success of any sales-driven organization in the business-to-business (B2B) space hinges on the sales team’s compensation plan. Over my four decades in B2B sales, I’ve observed that nothing influences the performance of sales personnel more directly than the design and implementation of their compensation plans. Compensation is not merely about rewarding sales achievements but crafting a strategy aligning individual salespeople’s goals with the company’s broader objectives.

A well-structured compensation plan acts as both a motivator and a guide. It compels sales teams not only to meet but exceed their targets, fostering an environment where continuous improvement is not just encouraged but becomes a natural byproduct of the system. For small business CEOs, understanding this dynamic is critical for sustaining and driving growth. Sales compensation is more than just a cost; it’s an investment in the company’s future.

In any sales environment, whether the market is brimming with potential or tightly contested, the compensation plan must be a living document that evolves in response to market conditions, company goals, and team performance. With this adaptability, companies can avoid stagnation or regression in their market positions. As businesses strive to scale and adapt, constructing a compensation plan that genuinely drives the right behaviors becomes all the more pertinent.

To delve deeper into this vital subject, CEOs should consider the immediate impacts of their compensation strategies and their long-term implications on sales culture and employee retention. For those ready to explore the intricacies of effective sales compensation and ensure their strategies are well-suited to their specific business contexts, I am here to lend my expertise. With extensive experience tailoring compensation plans to enhance sales productivity and company profitability, I invite you to reach out for further guidance on crafting a plan that meets and exceeds your strategic goals. You can set a time to talk to me using my link above Book Appointment With Sean.

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From Education to Improvement: The Essential Elements of Effective Sales Meetings

By soshaughnessey

The importance of effective internal sales meetings with your sales team cannot be overstated. These meetings are not just about discussing individual deals or pipelines but serve a much larger purpose. They are opportunities for education, alignment, and improvement. They are a platform where the entire sales ecosystem comes together to discuss what’s happening in the industry, target market, or the company and how to move in the same direction.

A key reason for having larger quarterly meetings is education. As a sales leader or a CEO, the goal should be to make the sales team more effective and knowledgeable about ongoing developments. This can be achieved by inviting guest speakers, working on sales messaging, or understanding what’s happening in a particular vertical. However, these meetings should not be held just because the quarter came up. They should have a purpose and should add value to the team. If the same information can be shared through a well-written email or a quick update on Zoom, then there is no need for a meeting.

One effective practice for these meetings is role plays. This is a great way to practice and improve skills. However, it’s important to conduct these role plays correctly. There should be three roles: a customer, a seller, and an observer. The customer should be competent, the seller should sell something, and the observer should observe. After each role-play, feedback should be provided on what was done well and what could be improved.

However, while conducting these meetings, it is important to avoid a few pitfalls. One such pitfall is not having enough variation in the meeting for different learning types. If the meeting only consists of slides or videos, it might not cater to everyone’s learning style. Therefore, mixing up the media and providing breaks is important to keep the team engaged.

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Optimizing Sales Territories for Growth and Efficiency

By soshaughnessey

Territory design is critical for ensuring efficient revenue generation and optimal team performance. Sales leaders, especially those at the helm of small—to mid-sized companies, must revisit and potentially recalibrate their territory strategies to accommodate growth and maintain competitiveness.

Effective territory management starts with a clear understanding of the business landscape. Ensuring that each salesperson has a viable area with ample opportunity is crucial. This may sound straightforward but involves a delicate balance of geographic and customer-based considerations. For instance, some businesses might operate on a model where territories are defined by customer types or specific named accounts, which could include focusing on a set number of businesses to target. On the other hand, more geographically expansive businesses might allocate territories based on regions, such as counties or states, depending on their size and scope.

Moreover, there’s an art to knowing when and how to split or expand territories without diluting the quality of customer relationships or the sales team’s morale. For example, if a territory becomes too large and unwieldy, it might necessitate division to maintain or increase effectiveness. However, this division must be approached with sensitivity and strategy, ensuring it does not merely become a means to reduce commission costs but rather a method to enhance coverage and customer engagement.

The challenge often lies in the execution. Realigning territories can be as complex as managing a new product launch or entering a new market. Factors such as supply chain logistics, warranty services, and resource allocation must all be considered to ensure the new territory design supports immediate sales goals and long-term business growth.

Sales leaders must also be adept at navigating the internal dynamics of territory adjustments. For instance, a well-performing salesperson might view the reduction of their territory as a punitive measure, rather than an opportunity to enhance focus and potentially increase earnings from a more concentrated area. It is crucial for management to communicate effectively, ensuring that the team understands these changes are aimed at optimizing the entire sales process and enhancing their ability to meet customer needs more effectively.

Ultimately, the goal of territory design should align with the overarching business strategy aimed at growth and sustainability. This includes not only deciding the physical or conceptual boundaries of each territory but also ensuring that each sales team member is positioned to succeed, supported by robust training and resources, and motivated by a clear understanding of their role in the company’s broader objectives.

As companies prepare for another business cycle, revisiting the principles of effective territory management could be the key to unlocking new levels of success and stability. This strategic approach helps maintain a competitive edge and supports a healthy, dynamic sales culture that adapts to the changing landscapes of industries and markets.

Actionable suggestions that sales managers can do today:

Conduct a Territory Audit: Review your current sales territories by evaluating sales data, customer distribution, and team feedback. Identify areas where territories may be too large or too small and assess the potential for restructuring to improve coverage and salesperson efficiency. This will help you understand if your current design aligns with optimal market coverage and team capabilities.
Initiate a Team Discussion: Meet your sales team to discuss the current territory alignment. Use this opportunity to gather insights directly from those on the ground about their territories’ challenges and opportunities. This feedback is invaluable for making informed decisions about potential territory realignments or adjustments to meet customer needs and company goals.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales Podcast – Mastering the Art of Business Transition: Insights from Marc Metz – E82

By soshaughnessey

In this riveting episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome a special guest, Marc Metz, President of Optimus Sales Group. Together, they delve into the critical yet often overlooked topic of business transitions, providing invaluable insights and strategies for companies navigating the journey from generation to generation. This episode is a treasure trove of knowledge for business owners, sales leaders, and anyone involved in the business’s lifecycle.

Key Topics Discussed

Business Transition Strategies: Marc Metz shares his expertise on the three main ways businesses transition: selling to an outsider, passing on to family members, and employee stock ownership programs. Each method comes with its unique set of challenges and opportunities.
Overcoming Overvaluation and Sales Dependencies: A common stumbling block for pre-sale businesses is the company’s overvaluation and the heavy reliance on the owner for sales. Metz discusses strategies to realign expectations and decentralize sales efforts.
The Importance of Building a Business to Sell: Metz emphasizes the critical nature of preparing a business for sale from day one. This involves creating robust systems and processes that ensure the business can thrive independently of the current owner.
Sales Team Dynamics in Transitions: The discussion highlights the potential pitfalls and strategies around managing key sales personnel during a transition, ensuring their loyalty, and maintaining sales momentum under new ownership.

Key Quotes

Kevin: “How do they, get ready to get ready to sell? If they wake up tomorrow and say, I want to sell by April, they might be, might be challenged. But if they wake up and say in a few Aprils, in a few years from now. What might the recipe be that you would prescribe because you’ve been there done that?”
Sean: “So I want to build on this topic a little bit more. Let’s play the scenario out. … It’s just a good employee. Been around, been very loyal to the company. … And now you’re trying to sell that. So I’m, I’m foreseeing a problem of if I’m a buyer of that business, I’m saying, well, how loyal is that one salesperson?”
Marc: “The first exercise I recommend to these guys and gals is hey, look what happens if you get hit by a bus tomorrow? What’s going to happen to your business? Think about that and start putting things in place That’ll mitigate that risk because that’s the very very first thing and I’m talking all aspects operations sales financial, all of those things, look at everything.”

Summary

Whether you’re a business owner contemplating the future, a sales leader navigating changes, or simply interested in the dynamics of business transitions, this episode is a must-listen. Kevin, Sean, and Marc provide a rich discussion filled with actionable advice, real-world experiences, and strategic insights designed to equip you with the tools you need to navigate the complex landscape of business transitions. Don’t miss this opportunity to learn from the experts and ensure the legacy and longevity of your business. Tune into this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales for a deep dive into preparing your business for the next chapter.

Boosting Profitability in Sales: Mastering the Art of Negotiation – Video 11 of the New Year Motivation Series

By soshaughnessey

As we dive into the New Year, it’s crucial for sales professionals, managers, and CEOs of small companies to reflect on one pivotal aspect of their sales strategy – the art of negotiation. I am committed to guiding you toward more profitable deals this New Year and beyond.

Evaluating Past Deal Profitability

Take a moment to review your deals from the previous year. Were they as profitable as they could have been? The ease of offering discounts can often overshadow the challenge of selling at list price. However, your company’s profit model heavily relies on effective negotiation.

Look back at your past deals. Pinpoint the aspects where negotiations fell short. Set a clear goal for this year to avoid repeating these mistakes. Improvement begins with recognizing what didn’t work well in the past.

Embracing Continuous Learning in Negotiation

As I’ve emphasized in a previous video, continuous learning is crucial. This is particularly true in negotiation. A slight improvement in your negotiation skills can significantly impact your bottom line. Consider attending a class, webinar, or consulting with an expert to hone this skill.

If negotiation is not your forte, reach out for assistance. I’m here to offer suggestions, recommend training resources, or even provide personal training to help you negotiate more effectively.

Preparing for Negotiations Proactively

Prepare a list of items you can afford to discount and those you cannot. Develop scripts and strategies for common negotiation scenarios. This preparation will help you remain steadfast during negotiations, ensuring you don’t make concessions on a whim.

Identify services or add-ons you can offer during negotiations that provide value to your client but don’t significantly impact your costs. This strategy can be a game-changer in making your proposals more attractive while maintaining profitability.

This is the year to enhance your negotiation tactics. By doing so, you’re not just closing deals; you’re maximizing the value and profitability of each transaction. Remember, effective negotiation is not about conceding profits but finding a mutually beneficial ground where your company’s value is rightly recognized and compensated.

Happy New Year, and here’s to your profitability and success in the New Year!

Check out my video below (the final video in this year’s series to start the New Year with confidence and capability).

Revolutionize Your Sales Strategy: The Power of Streamlining Your Sales Process – Video 10 of the New Year Motivation Series

By soshaughnessey

As we embark on this new year, it’s time to reevaluate and refine our sales strategies. My mission is to empower salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs of small companies to achieve remarkable growth this New Year. One crucial aspect that often goes overlooked is the efficiency of your sales process.

A Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is more than a digital Rolodex; it’s a strategic tool that, when used effectively, can transform your sales process. Ensure that your CRM reflects and aids your sales process. If it doesn’t, you face a gap in your strategy and tools that needs immediate attention.

Take the time to map out your current sales process within your CRM. This exercise isn’t just about documentation; it’s about identifying bottlenecks and inefficiencies. Once you spot these, you can start making targeted improvements.

You may not solve all the problems overnight, but identifying and addressing even one bottleneck can significantly enhance productivity. A small change, like streamlining a step in your process or improving communication flow, can have a compound effect throughout the year.

Remember, you don’t have to do this alone. Your sales team, operations staff, and even your customers can provide invaluable insights into what’s working and what’s not. Collaborate with them to find ways to make your sales process smoother and more customer-friendly.

Your goal should be to make dealing with your company as seamless as possible for your clients. Imagine a scenario where your customers view working with you as the easiest part of their day. This level of customer experience can set you apart in a competitive market.

As we move forward in the New Year, I challenge you to enhance your sales process proactively. A well-optimized sales process increases your team’s productivity and elevates the customer experience.

Make this year count by refining your approach to sales. Good luck, and here’s to a year of effective selling and remarkable growth!

For more insights into this process, watch my video below.

Elevate Your Sales Game: Time Management Secrets for a Prosperous New Year – Video 4 of the New Year Motivation Series

By soshaughnessey

As a fractional VP of Sales, I’ve witnessed many companies struggle not due to a lack of opportunities but because of inefficient time management. In a world where the potential market is vast, and the economy’s ebb and flow is a constant, the real game-changer is how you manage your time.

1. Prioritizing Revenue-Generating Activities

Prioritizing tasks is crucial based on their potential for immediate revenue generation. Ask yourself: What can I close today? Focusing on high-priority, revenue-generating activities is essential. This means deliberately carving out time in your schedule for these tasks.

2. Strategic Time Blocking

I advocate that many people should implement strategic time blocking. This involves reserving specific periods in your day exclusively for high-value activities. Whether it’s client meetings, follow-up calls, or strategic planning, these blocks of time should be non-negotiable and dedicated solely to tasks that directly contribute to your revenue goals.

3. Reducing Time on Non-Sales Activities

A common pitfall for many sales professionals is spending too much time on non-sales activities. The goal is to shift this balance. If you’re currently spending 20% of your time on sales, aim for 30% or 40%. This shift can significantly enhance your productivity and sales outcomes.

4. Setting Daily and Weekly Goals

Don’t just block time, but also set clear, achievable goals for client interactions. These goals should be tracked daily and weekly, ensuring you’re consistently progressing and adjusting your strategies as needed.

5. Accountability and Continuous Improvement

Regularly review how much time you’re spending on client interactions and sales activities. Strive for incremental improvements – even a 10% increase in dedicated sales time can lead to substantial growth in your business.

If you want to dive deeper into these strategies and transform your approach to sales this year, check out my latest video. It’s filled with insights and practical tips to help you make the most of your time and drive significant revenue growth.

Happy selling, and here’s to a prosperous year ahead!