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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

From Leads to Clients: How Aligning Sales and Marketing Fuels Sustainable Growth

There’s a common sentiment among sales teams this time of year: a sense of urgency. The calendar flips, Q4 starts, and suddenly it feels like you’re already behind. Sound familiar? That mid-Q4 pressure is real. But before you sprint into outreach and activity, step back and assess what’s actually fueling your pipeline? More importantly, is it aligned with long-term growth?

Sales leaders and CEOs often default to lead generation as the focal point. It’s understandable. More leads, more conversations, more deals, right? But that mindset skips a critical first step. You can’t scale what isn’t aligned. If your marketing message doesn’t match your sales conversations, you’re wasting time and budget. If your sales team is chasing poorly qualified leads, you’re burning cycles. And if your customers can’t articulate why they bought from you, you’ve got a positioning problem.

The foundation starts with clarity. What value do you truly deliver? Why do customers choose you over alternatives? If you can’t answer that in a clear, 50-word statement, your team is likely improvising in the field, and that’s costing you revenue. This is where sales and marketing alignment becomes more than just a buzzword. It’s operationally necessary.

Sales enablement isn’t only about tools and training. It’s about empowering sales with the right message at the right time. That starts with defining three core customer states:

  1. leads,
  2. prospects,
  3. clients.

Each phase requires different messaging, timing, and expectations. Most organizations blur those lines. That’s where inefficiency creeps in.

Leads sit at the top of the funnel. They are either unaware or only lightly aware of your offering. At this stage, marketing owns the responsibility. However, marketing without sales feedback is akin to shooting in the dark. Sales needs to inform marketing what makes a lead qualified.

  • What signals intent?
  • What common objections surface early?

Without that feedback loop, marketing tends to optimize for volume rather than quality.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Hidden Driver of Every Sale: Mike Dowhan Explains How Compelling Events Shape Business Acumen and Sales Strategies – Episode 160

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome Mike Dowhan, founder of Bedrock Sales. Together, they explore one of the most overlooked yet transformative aspects of sales management: the compelling event. Mike brings over two decades of experience helping organizations refine their sales processes, understand buyer motivation, and drive consistent revenue generation. Whether you’re a frontline seller or a sales leader guiding a team, this episode unpacks how identifying and leveraging compelling events can be the difference between chasing deals and closing them confidently.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Power of the Compelling Event (01:12) – What defines a compelling event and why it’s the “why” behind every great sale.
  • Asking Better Discovery Questions (03:00) – How to uncover the root cause that motivates buyers to act now rather than later.
  • Getting Permission to Go Deep (07:17) – Why earning trust allows salespeople to ask the tough, business-critical questions.
  • Compelling Events vs. Compelling Needs (09:53) – The distinction between recognizing a real deadline versus a vague desire for change.
  • Surfacing the Cost of Inaction (10:38) – How to use timing, impact, and risk to create urgency without manufacturing pressure.

Key Quotes

  • Mike Dowhan (03:49): “What caused you to pick up the phone or take my call today? What’s different today than yesterday? That’s where you find the real reason a buyer is ready to move.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (02:29): “If there’s no compelling event, it becomes very difficult. You’re pushing the boulder uphill, fighting the same battle over and over.”
  • Kevin Lawson (12:00): “Finding permission and tracking back to that event is where we create real value, and avoid the trap of commoditization.”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start every discovery conversation with one simple question:

“What changed today that made you want to talk to me?”

This question reveals your buyer’s compelling event, the emotional and operational trigger that drives their need to act. Understanding that moment transforms your sales strategy from reactive to consultative. Use it to align your messaging, reinforce your value-selling approach, and accelerate revenue growth.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – What Got You Here Won’t Get You There: How Sales Leaders Master the Pivot for Revenue Growth – Episode 158

In this episode, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey tackle one of the most fundamental truths in business and sales leadership: change is inevitable. Whether you’re managing a sales team, scaling from $5M to $50M, or repositioning your company for new markets, your success depends on your ability to pivot,  intelligently, decisively, and confidently. Sean and Kevin unpack the concept of organizational pivots through real-world examples, from manufacturing supply challenges to Domino’s Pizza’s legendary turnaround, and offer practical advice for how sales leaders can prepare their teams to thrive through transformation.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Only Constant Is Change (00:16) — Why modern business demands leaders who can adapt and guide teams through shifting markets.
  • The Power of the Pivot (02:52) — Kevin explains what a pivot really means and how small, consistent course corrections can transform outcomes.
  • Real-World Example: Domino’s Pizza Reinvention (06:10) — A masterclass in transparency and messaging that rebuilt a brand from the ground up.
  • Training as the Foundation of Change (09:21) — Sean breaks down how strategic training helps sales teams pivot effectively into new markets or industries.
  • Peer Learning and the Role of Community (12:33) — The importance of collaboration, conversation, and communities like the B2B Sales Lab for accelerating sales success.

Key Quotes

  • “As CEOs and sales leaders, we have to lead through change. What got us here is not going to get us there.”
    — Sean O’Shaughnessey (01:34)
  • “Sometimes people don’t need a 180-degree pivot. They just need to be repointed — one degree of change over time can take you somewhere entirely new.”
    — Kevin Lawson (04:42)
  • “The first part of making a pivot is planting your foot — and that’s training. You can’t change direction until your team knows how.”
    — Sean O’Shaughnessey (11:22)

Additional Resources

  • Book Mentioned: Who Moved My Cheese? by Spencer Johnson — A timeless read on navigating change in business and life. https://a.co/d/cCEXuwA
  • Community Resource: B2B Sales Lab — A peer-driven community for B2B sales professionals and leaders to exchange ideas, test messaging, and sharpen their skills. www.b2b-sales-lab.com

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Before the day ends, write down five things you could do to change the trajectory of your sales growth or turnaround.
Then, rank them:

  • Which are big strategic plays?
  • Which are medium-term moves?
  • Which are quick wins you could execute immediately? Assign probability, effort, and impact to each, then commit to one action this week. Leadership begins with deliberate motion, not massive overhauls.
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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The First 90 Days as a Sales Leader: Proven Strategies for Sales Management Success – Episode 157

When a company hires or promotes its first sales manager, expectations run high, but clarity can be low. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Sean O’Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson unpack what the first 90 days should look like for a new sales leader. Whether you’re a CEO onboarding a new manager or that manager stepping into the role themselves, this discussion provides practical guidance on setting realistic expectations, building trust, and establishing the foundation for long-term sales success and revenue growth.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Setting Realistic Expectations as an Owner (02:00)
    Kevin explores how CEOs should frame success during the first 90 days, emphasizing the importance of patience, trust-building, and understanding that sales management transformation takes time.
  • Avoiding the “Fix This First” Trap (06:30)
    Sean cautions business owners against dumping old personnel problems on new leaders, explaining why cleaning up someone else’s mess undermines early business acumen and trust.
  • Building Relationships and Learning the Business (08:30)
    Sean shares tactical advice for new sales managers: conduct one-on-ones, ride along with reps, and build rapport across departments, marketing, operations, and finance, to master internal sales processes and interdepartmental alignment.
  • Understanding Internal and External Tools (11:12)
    Kevin discusses discovering hidden tools and levers, people, systems, vendor programs, or product configurations that can immediately improve team performance and value-selling opportunities.
  • Repackaging and Aligning Offers to the Market (12:30)
    The hosts outline how sales leaders can rethink product structures and messaging to better serve customer needs, thereby improving revenue management and profitability.

Key Quotes

  • “Trust is a currency. It has to be earned by customers, by salespeople, by peers, and you can’t buy it in the first 30 days.”,  Kevin Lawson (03:00)
  • “Don’t make your new sales leader the bad guy. If there’s a tough personnel decision, handle it before they start.”,  Sean O’Shaughnessey (07:00)
  • “Learn your company inside and out. If you don’t know who runs manufacturing or how the supply chain works, you can’t lead your salespeople effectively.”,  Sean O’Shaughnessey (10:00)
  • “You might have 20 products, but 100 possible solutions. The smart leader finds ways to repackage and sell in ways the customer actually values.”,  Kevin Lawson (13:00)

Additional Resources

  • Episodes on sales onboarding, marketing alignment, and ideal customer profiling (ICP) were referenced throughout the conversation.
  • Explore more insights and tools for sales leaders at b2b-sales-lab.com.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Create a 90-Day Integration Plan.
If you’re a new sales manager, spend your first month listening and learning. Conduct one-on-ones with every salesperson, schedule cross-department meetings, and document what each function needs from sales. In the second month, identify process gaps and start designing improvements. By the third month, implement one or two visible wins, such as improving forecasting accuracy or clarifying sales messaging, to demonstrate value and build momentum.

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Beyond Spell Check: How Grammarly’s AI Can Transform Sales Communication

Clear, professional communication is the foundation of sales success. Yet, in 2025, much of our selling occurs not face-to-face, but through written words, emails, proposals, CRM notes, and social media messages. This shift means your writing is no longer just a form of communication; it’s your personal brand, your first impression, and often the deciding factor in whether a conversation continues or comes to a halt.

Grammarly has evolved far beyond its original purpose as a grammar checker. Today, it’s an artificial intelligence–powered platform that helps sales teams increase efficiency, refine their messaging, and accelerate revenue growth. It works directly within the tools you already use, such as Gmail, LinkedIn, Salesforce, and HubSpot, helping sales professionals write with greater confidence and clarity.

Sales organizations using Grammarly have seen measurable improvements: Databricks saved $1.4 million annually; Smartsheet cut thousands of hours from proposal creation; and Zoom reported higher customer satisfaction thanks to improved written communication. These results aren’t luck; they’re the product of refined sales processes, consistent messaging, and clear communication supported by AI.

For individual salespeople, Grammarly helps improve value selling by ensuring that every message is professional, engaging, and on-brand. Its AI engine not only corrects errors but also suggests stronger phrasing, predicts reader reactions, and even aligns your tone with your business acumen and brand voice. For sales leaders, it standardizes team communication and reinforces a culture of professionalism across departments.

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From 10 to 100 Customers: Scaling Your Sales Process for Growth

For founders of companies, the journey of a business is a narrative of evolution, growth, and constant adaptation. As salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs, we are all too familiar with the challenges and triumphs that punctuate this journey. In the world of sales, one of the most critical turning points is the transition from acquiring your first ten customers to expanding your customer base to 50 or even 100. This pivotal moment sets the trajectory of a business and is a key focus of our discussion.

When you’re starting, the founding team is focused on acquiring those first ten customers. They’re trying to find their footing in the market, identify their target audience, and refine their product or service offering. You might be customizing your product or service for each customer to ensure it fits their specific needs. However, as you aim for the next level of growth, it’s crucial to start thinking about systemizing your sales process. This will ensure efficiency and prepare you for the next level of growth. 

To scale effectively, company leaders need to standardize their product or service offering. While customization can be beneficial in the early stages, it becomes impractical and inefficient as your customer base grows. The key here is to create a product or service that can be sold repeatedly with minimal adjustments. This streamlines the sales process, making it easier for others to sell the product or service.

In the early stages of a business, the founders might be the ones doing all the selling. But as the company grows, this becomes less feasible. To reach a larger number of customers, you need to bring others on board to sell for you. This is where standardization comes into play. By standardizing your product or service, you make it easier for others to understand and sell it. 

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Transforming Quota-Setting: Strategies for Sales Leaders to Optimize Performance and Revenue

Quota-setting is one of the most misunderstood elements of sales leadership. Too often, it’s treated as a spreadsheet exercise or a top-down directive, rather than a strategic lever that drives behavior, performance, and growth.

Whether you’re leading a team of 20 or you’re the founder managing three reps, how you define quotas has a direct impact on your revenue trajectory and your team’s motivation.

So, where do you start?

With timing. If you’re not delivering quotas to your team until February or March, you’re already behind. Salespeople need clarity by December. That gives them runway to plan, prioritize, and hit the ground running in January. Delayed quotas create confusion and stall momentum. To achieve a strong Q1, you need to equip your team early.

Quota-setting varies depending on the size of your company. Larger teams offer more flexibility. With 10 or more reps, you can spread risk, balance performance, and model averages. You’ll have top performers who consistently overdeliver, alongside newer reps who are still ramping up. The law of averages works in your favor. You can afford some variance. Smaller teams don’t have that luxury.

When you’re running a small team, maybe two or three reps or founder-led sales, every individual matters. One person missing quota can tank your number.

You can’t rely on averages. You need precision.

That means tying quotas to actual relationships, known opportunities, and real probability. It’s not about slicing up a target evenly. It’s about assigning numbers based on what’s realistically achievable in each territory or account list.

Territory design plays a big role here. Whether it’s geographic, vertical, or named accounts, quota must reflect the market potential. You can’t expect equal performance from unequal opportunity. If Rep A has 500 viable accounts and Rep B has 50, their quotas shouldn’t look the same unless you have data that says Rep B’s accounts are closer to your Ideal Client Profile. Use available market data to inform the number. Don’t assign quotas in a vacuum. 

In larger organizations, quotas often originate from the top down, typically from finance. The CEO and CFO commit a growth number to the board, investors, or in public filings to the SEC. They have no choice but to pass it down. It’s not uncommon for the sales team to receive the number without context. That’s a problem. If you’re in a leadership role, you need to pressure test that number. Can your team realistically hit it? If not, what additional resources are required?

  • More headcount?
  • Better enablement?
  • Marketing support?

In large organizations where the quota is driven by investor expectations, the VP of Sales must establish an organization well before the new year that achieves this year’s goal, while also meeting the expectation of growth for the next year. Planning ahead, sometimes years in advance, is part of the job.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Breaking the Silos: Aligning Sales and Marketing for Real Revenue Growth – Episode 147

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into one of the most misunderstood dynamics in business: the relationship between sales and marketing. Pulled directly from a thought-provoking question inside the B2B Sales Lab community, this conversation explores how sales teams can contribute meaningfully to marketing efforts and why that collaboration drives better revenue generation. Whether you lead a sales team, run marketing campaigns, or wear both… Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Breaking the Silos: Aligning Sales and Marketing for Real Revenue Growth – Episode 147