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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

Stop Betting on Superstars: How Operating Standards Turn Sellers into Predictable Producers

Many teams grow, but few truly scale revenue beyond individual hero efforts. That difference changes everything for leaders today and in the future. Growth relies on hustle; scaling depends on repeatability across segments and individuals. Your strategy must reflect that hard truth in practice.

Are you relying on one standout to win deals month after month? That looks strong until risk turns visible and costly. One resignation can cripple momentum and expose brittle systems that you had previously ignored.

Scalable sales replaces heroics with defined, teachable operating rhythms that everyone follows. It turns chaos into predictable pipeline progress and results. It clarifies markets, messages, motions, and measurable expectations for every seller on a weekly basis. It builds leverage into onboarding and coaching for consistency. It protects margins while systematically accelerating win rates and velocity across territories.

The foundation begins with a clear picture of your ideal customer, including any disqualifying factors. Having an accurate Ideal Client Profile (ICP) helps minimize waste and reduce uncertainty in your efforts. Take time to define firmographics, pain points, triggers, and buying behaviors using consistent language based on shared evidence. Understand who cares about these issues and why it matters to them now. Also, identify negative personas to sharpen your focus and qualification processes in marketing and sales. A well-defined ICP can significantly boost your conversion rates and shorten the sales cycle.

Next, turn your ICP into straightforward messaging and discovery frameworks tailored for each stage. Consider what unique problems you solve for your customers. What outcomes are most important to them, and who are the key stakeholders by role and priority?

Build talk tracks that lead buyers, not chase buyers with purpose always. Anchor questions to the business metrics and risks they feel. Teach a qualification that tests mutual commitment and outlines next steps with attached dates. Avoid fluffy demos; design relevant proofs using their data. Process specificity turns B players into consistent producers without copying another personality.

I suggest you establish a practical, stage-based operating rhythm that everyone can easily understand and follow. By sharing clear definitions and expectations, managing the pipeline becomes a consistent and smooth process each week. Define each stage with specific exit criteria—avoiding vague intentions or subjective feelings. For example, discovery is considered complete when stakeholders confirm the consequences and impact, and solution fit is achieved when success criteria and ownership are clearly aligned. The commit stage should be backed by a shared plan with clear dates and assigned owners. During weekly reviews, focus on assessing quality rather than just quantity or activity counts. Ask yourself:

  • Does evidence from buyers’ backstage moves have a direct impact on their purchasing decisions?
  • Are the next steps specific, mutually agreed upon, and already scheduled on both calendars?
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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Hidden Driver of Every Sale: Mike Dowhan Explains How Compelling Events Shape Business Acumen and Sales Strategies – Episode 160

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey welcome Mike Dowhan, founder of Bedrock Sales. Together, they explore one of the most overlooked yet transformative aspects of sales management: the compelling event. Mike brings over two decades of experience helping organizations refine their sales processes, understand buyer motivation, and drive consistent revenue generation. Whether you’re a frontline seller or a sales leader guiding a team, this episode unpacks how identifying and leveraging compelling events can be the difference between chasing deals and closing them confidently.

Key Topics Discussed

  • The Power of the Compelling Event (01:12) – What defines a compelling event and why it’s the “why” behind every great sale.
  • Asking Better Discovery Questions (03:00) – How to uncover the root cause that motivates buyers to act now rather than later.
  • Getting Permission to Go Deep (07:17) – Why earning trust allows salespeople to ask the tough, business-critical questions.
  • Compelling Events vs. Compelling Needs (09:53) – The distinction between recognizing a real deadline versus a vague desire for change.
  • Surfacing the Cost of Inaction (10:38) – How to use timing, impact, and risk to create urgency without manufacturing pressure.

Key Quotes

  • Mike Dowhan (03:49): “What caused you to pick up the phone or take my call today? What’s different today than yesterday? That’s where you find the real reason a buyer is ready to move.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (02:29): “If there’s no compelling event, it becomes very difficult. You’re pushing the boulder uphill, fighting the same battle over and over.”
  • Kevin Lawson (12:00): “Finding permission and tracking back to that event is where we create real value, and avoid the trap of commoditization.”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start every discovery conversation with one simple question:

“What changed today that made you want to talk to me?”

This question reveals your buyer’s compelling event, the emotional and operational trigger that drives their need to act. Understanding that moment transforms your sales strategy from reactive to consultative. Use it to align your messaging, reinforce your value-selling approach, and accelerate revenue growth.

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Differentiating Through Value: Mastering the Art of Consumable Sales

Navigating the competitive landscape of consumable sales calls for a thoughtful and kind-hearted approach. Salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs of small companies should remember that their role is about more than just making transactions. In a market where products often seem very alike in quality and price, what truly sets you apart is your ability to consistently show value. So, how can you create lasting relationships with your customers, even when many options are available?

Consider the analogy of fast-food giants like Burger King and McDonald’s. Both offer similar products, yet they each have a dedicated customer base. The key lies in creating a unique selling proposition that resonates with your target audience. 

As a salesperson, your goal is to become indispensable to your customers. This means transforming from a mere vendor to a trusted advisor who is deeply integrated into the customer’s business operations.

Become Part of Their Team

A critical part of this integration is understanding what a “gatherer” is. A gatherer is more than just an account manager. They build a close, almost inseparable bond with the customer. They become a trusted part of the customer’s team, often turning to them for advice and solving problems together. Building this kind of trust requires a genuine understanding of the customer’s business, enabling you to offer insights and solutions that extend beyond the products you provide.

In the realm of consumable sales, where products are used and replaced regularly, the salesperson’s value lies in their ability to maintain and continually grow the relationship. This involves not just selling a product but also selling yourself and your company. Your expertise, reliability, and ability to anticipate and solve problems become the key differentiators. When customers face challenges, they should instinctively think of you as the go-to person for solutions, regardless of minor price differences or delivery times.

To attain this trusted advisor status, you must focus on three core elements: 

  1. the product, 
  2. the company, 
  3. yourself. 

While the product and the company are essential, the most significant value often comes from you as the salesperson. Your ability to understand the prospect’s needs, guide their purchasing decisions, and challenge them to think differently about their business can set you apart from the competition.

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Management Masterclass: Paul Rafferty’s Proven Framework for Smarter Deal Reviews and Revenue Generation – Episode 159

Welcome back to Two Tall Guys Talking Sales with hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey. In this dynamic episode, the Tall Guys welcome Paul Rafferty from Sales Xceleration to explore the art and science of sales coaching, deal qualification, and the importance of building sales acumen. Paul brings decades of experience in sales management, value selling, and revenue generation, offering a practical framework for sales leaders who want to coach their teams more effectively and for reps who want to stop chasing the wrong deals.

Discover how to transform your team’s approach to sales processes—from opportunity scoring to understanding a buyer’s “pain chain.” This conversation is packed with actionable insights that blend sales strategy, business acumen, and real-world stories you can immediately apply to your own selling environment.

Key Topics Discussed

  • 03:00 — Building a Deal Coaching Framework:
    Paul introduces his 100-point scorecard system that evaluates the Ideal Prospect Profile, the Pain Chain, and Commitment to Decision. This framework transforms deal reviews into powerful coaching sessions rather than mere forecast updates.
  • 05:10 — The “Pain Chain” and Sales Philosophy:
    Sean and Paul discuss how understanding buyer pain isn’t optional—it’s foundational to value selling. Without real pain, there’s no compelling reason for your buyer to act.
  • 06:45 — From Friendly to Effective Salesperson:
    Paul and Sean discuss how friendliness can open doors, but it’s teaching and insight that ultimately win deals. Sales success comes from challenging your prospects and helping them think differently.
  • 08:00 — Why Deals Get Stuck:
    Kevin and Paul explore how most stalled deals trace back to weak discovery. Coaching your team to go deeper early in the sales process prevents gridlock later.
  • 10:30 — The Currency of Knowledge:
    Paul explains that in modern selling, gifts and lunches no longer move the needle—information does. Great salespeople earn influence by being teachers, not vendors.

Key Quotes

  • Paul Rafferty (03:50):
    “It’s not what you do—it’s what they do. The scorecard helps you coach reps to spend time where there’s real buying intent, not just big logos.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (05:43):
    “Salespeople need to understand the theory of sales. Without knowing the frameworks—like the pain chain or solution selling—you’re just saying, ‘I’m a nice guy, buy from me.’”
  • Kevin Lawson (08:38):
    “Most deals go to die in the discovery phase. Coaching means rewinding the tape and helping reps fix what wasn’t done early enough.”
  • Paul Rafferty (12:51):
    “Your currency is information—help your buyer look smart, get promoted, and win internally. That’s real value selling.”

Additional Resources

  • Paul Rafferty
    • prafferty@salesxceleration.com 
    • https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauljrafferty/
  • Books referenced:
    • Solution Selling by Michael Bosworth – https://a.co/d/hHtYSiX
    • The Challenger Sale by Matthew Dixon & Brent Adamson – https://a.co/d/2kJsbDU
    • Strategic Selling by Robert Miller & Stephen Heiman – https://a.co/d/icPcC6H

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Implement a Deal Coaching Scorecard.
Instead of subjective forecasting (“This deal is 70% likely to close”), create an objective scoring model based on:

  1. Ideal Prospect Fit (25 pts) – Does this prospect align with your best customer profile?
  2. Pain Chain (25 pts) – Have they admitted to a real, solvable pain?
  3. Commitment to Decision (50 pts) – Have they engaged decision-makers and committed to next steps?

Use this tool in your next pipeline review. It will sharpen your sales management coaching, improve revenue forecasting, and elevate your team’s overall sales success. If you want more information about this scorecard, reach out to Paul Rafferty at his address above.

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The Evolution of Sales: Scaling from 10 to 100 Customers

The journey of a business unfolds as a story of growth, change, and ongoing adaptation. As salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs, we all share the ups and downs that come with this path. One of the most exciting moments in sales is the shift from landing your first ten customers to growing your family of clients to 50 or even 100. This milestone is truly a game-changer, shaping the future direction of your business.

When you’re starting, your focus is on acquiring those first ten customers. You’re trying to find your footing in the market, identify your target audience, and refine your product or service offering. You might be customizing your product or service for each customer to ensure it fits their specific needs. However, as you aim for the next level of growth, you need to start thinking about systemizing your sales process. 

To grow successfully, it’s helpful to have a standardized product or service. While customizing can be useful when you’re just starting out, it can become hard to manage and slow you down as your customer base expands. 

Focus on creating a product or service that you can sell over and over again with just small tweaks. This approach simplifies your sales process and makes it easier for others to sell your offerings, too.

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Stop Researching, Start Connecting: An AI-Powered System for Warm Introductions

Most sales teams begin the week by opening a dozen browser tabs and grinding through scattered research, LinkedIn, Google News, company websites, and databases. Hours later, they emerge with a few generic talking points and a cold list that still feels cold. The deeper issue isn’t inefficiency; it’s invisibility. Warm introductions already exist across your company’s network, in email histories, calendars, and executives’ LinkedIn connections, but you can’t see them on Monday morning.

The Relationship-First approach changes that default. Before a single cold call or email, you perform a deliberate “Warm Path Check.” You ask, “Who do we know who knows them?” This question transforms prospecting from random outreach into a repeatable, data-driven process that prioritizes relationships. When you start as a referred conversation rather than an interruption, skepticism drops, credibility rises, and the sales cycle compresses dramatically.

The Hidden Network You’re Not Using

Every organization has an untapped network, a web of past colleagues, vendors, and clients who could open doors to your dream accounts. The problem is that this network is hidden in plain sight. It lives in the collective memory of your company’s communication patterns, but there’s no easy way to access it manually. That’s where KnowledgeNet comes in.

KnowledgeNet serves as your organization’s “relationship intelligence” layer. It analyzes communication data (emails, meetings, messages) to reveal who knows whom, and how strong those connections really are. Instead of guessing, you can instantly see that a colleague in engineering once worked closely with the CFO of a target account. That’s a warm path waiting to be used.

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From 10 to 100 Customers: Scaling Your Sales Process for Growth

For founders of companies, the journey of a business is a narrative of evolution, growth, and constant adaptation. As salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs, we are all too familiar with the challenges and triumphs that punctuate this journey. In the world of sales, one of the most critical turning points is the transition from acquiring your first ten customers to expanding your customer base to 50 or even 100. This pivotal moment sets the trajectory of a business and is a key focus of our discussion.

When you’re starting, the founding team is focused on acquiring those first ten customers. They’re trying to find their footing in the market, identify their target audience, and refine their product or service offering. You might be customizing your product or service for each customer to ensure it fits their specific needs. However, as you aim for the next level of growth, it’s crucial to start thinking about systemizing your sales process. This will ensure efficiency and prepare you for the next level of growth. 

To scale effectively, company leaders need to standardize their product or service offering. While customization can be beneficial in the early stages, it becomes impractical and inefficient as your customer base grows. The key here is to create a product or service that can be sold repeatedly with minimal adjustments. This streamlines the sales process, making it easier for others to sell the product or service.

In the early stages of a business, the founders might be the ones doing all the selling. But as the company grows, this becomes less feasible. To reach a larger number of customers, you need to bring others on board to sell for you. This is where standardization comes into play. By standardizing your product or service, you make it easier for others to understand and sell it. 

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Mastering Sales Channels: How to Align Your Strategy for Maximum Impact

Understanding the dynamics of sales channels can transform how businesses approach their markets. Many sales professionals, whether they are salespeople, managers, or CEOs, often miss a critical distinction: the difference between the product they are selling and the value it provides. 

This gap in understanding can lead to suboptimal sales performance, particularly in environments where products are sold through intermediaries, such as distributors, referral partners, or dealer networks. The challenge is not just about knowing your product, but also about understanding how to position it in a way that resonates with every player in the sales chain.

Sales success starts with recognizing who your true customer is. In sales management or channel sales, the end customer is often not the person you interact with directly. Instead, your “customer” might be the intermediary, your distributor, reseller, or even your own sales team. These intermediaries are the ones who ultimately connect your product to its final user. If you don’t understand their challenges, motivations, and context, you risk failing to equip them with the necessary tools to succeed. Are you selling a product’s features, or are you helping them understand how to sell it effectively? This distinction is vital.

When selling through intermediaries, the emphasis should shift from “what the product does” to “how the product can be sold.” Your distributors or referral partners don’t need every technical detail of your product. They need clarity on how it solves problems for their customers, how it fits into their existing offerings, and how they can position it to drive sales. 

The goal is not to overwhelm your partners with information but to provide actionable insights that align with their specific needs. If you’re focusing solely on product features, you’re likely missing the mark.

Salespeople and sales managers must also recognize the game they are playing. Are you selling a commodity, a widely available product, or an exclusive offering? Each scenario demands a different strategy. 

Commodities often compete on price, necessitating bulk sales or value-added services to differentiate themselves. Widely available products often rely on relationships, service quality, or unique add-ons to differentiate themselves. Exclusive products, on the other hand, can often avoid price wars by emphasizing their uniqueness and superior quality. Knowing which game you’re in allows you to tailor your approach and avoid misaligned strategies.

For small businesses and solopreneurs, the challenge lies in effectively managing referral partners. Referral partnerships are a powerful way to generate leads, but they require careful management and oversight. 

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – From Comp Plans to Territory Alignment: Sales Strategies Every Leader Needs for Revenue Generation – Episode 153

As the year draws to a close, sales leaders and business owners face a critical challenge: preparing for growth in the year ahead. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into sales management strategies that set the stage for long-term sales success. From refining compensation plans and aligning territories to planning product lifecycles and avoiding the dreaded “hockey stick” growth trap, this conversation is packed with insights on business acumen, value selling, and revenue generation strategies that every sales leader should master.

Key Topics Discussed

  • 01:00 – Planning Beyond This Year: Why sales leaders need to start preparing now for next year’s revenue generation and sales processes.
  • 02:11 – Building Smarter Compensation Plans: Evaluating and refining comp structures to drive sales success and attract top talent.
  • 03:13 – Product Lifecycle & AI Readiness: How shifts in markets and technology demand updates to your offerings and messaging.
  • 05:00 – Departmental Alignment for Growth: Understanding how revenue management and sales growth affect every department in your business.
  • 07:12 – Right People, Right Roles: Assessing whether your sales team is positioned for success in the next stage of your growth plan.
  • 11:20 – Avoiding the “Hockey Stick” Trap: Why spreading growth evenly across years is a better long-term sales strategy.

Key Quotes

  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (01:07): “If I asked you to write out your three-year plan, next year already knocks off the first year. Are you one-third of the way there, or do you need to rethink your path?”
  • Kevin Lawson (02:33): “Be planning ahead. Compensation plans aren’t a set-and-forget item—you need to revisit them every year to make sure they’re delivering the right results.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (07:59): “Do I have the right people in the right place in my sales organization for next year? Not every salesperson has to leave, but maybe their role needs to evolve.”
  • Kevin Lawson (11:38): “You don’t want that third year of your plan to be a hockey stick. Don’t put yourself in a position where you suddenly need 40% growth in one year to hit your goals.”

Additional Resources

  • B2B Sales Lab: A peer community for sales leaders and professionals to sharpen strategies, exchange best practices, and get actionable feedback.
  • EOS Framework: For leaders who want to align messaging, sales strategies, and revenue management with long-term goals.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Review and finalize your sales compensation plans by December 1st. This gives your team enough time to digest changes, ask questions, and align their sales strategies before the new year begins. Waiting until January leaves your salespeople unprepared, which can delay revenue generation and momentum.

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From Manual to Automated: A Sales Pro’s Guide to Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream

A sales manager recently told me something that stuck: “We went from twenty hours per week of manual work to two hours. Our lead response time dropped from four hours to four minutes.” That dramatic transformation wasn’t magic—it was automation. The reality is that sales teams today have more automation tools available than ever before. But with options like Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream, the real challenge isn’t whether you should automate—it’s choosing the right… From Manual to Automated: A Sales Pro’s Guide to Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream