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What An MBA Didn’t Teach You About Sales

The sales profession is challenging. You need to work hard at it to succeed. You need to learn from the best. You need to improve your skills continuously. If you think you can sell since you are a hit at parties and have a lot of friends, you may soon find that you are a failure as a salesperson. Blunt truth:

because the sales profession is so hard, you have to focus on doing everything in sales very well, or you will be considered a failure.

I call this blog, Skinned Knees because I try to relate all of the learning that I have done over the past 4+ decades (while skinning my knees in the learning process).

I hope that you learn from my mistakes so that your business will grow!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The First 90 Days as a Sales Leader: Proven Strategies for Sales Management Success – Episode 157

When a company hires or promotes its first sales manager, expectations run high, but clarity can be low. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Sean O’Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson unpack what the first 90 days should look like for a new sales leader. Whether you’re a CEO onboarding a new manager or that manager stepping into the role themselves, this discussion provides practical guidance on setting realistic expectations, building trust, and establishing the foundation for long-term sales success and revenue growth.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Setting Realistic Expectations as an Owner (02:00)
    Kevin explores how CEOs should frame success during the first 90 days, emphasizing the importance of patience, trust-building, and understanding that sales management transformation takes time.
  • Avoiding the “Fix This First” Trap (06:30)
    Sean cautions business owners against dumping old personnel problems on new leaders, explaining why cleaning up someone else’s mess undermines early business acumen and trust.
  • Building Relationships and Learning the Business (08:30)
    Sean shares tactical advice for new sales managers: conduct one-on-ones, ride along with reps, and build rapport across departments, marketing, operations, and finance, to master internal sales processes and interdepartmental alignment.
  • Understanding Internal and External Tools (11:12)
    Kevin discusses discovering hidden tools and levers, people, systems, vendor programs, or product configurations that can immediately improve team performance and value-selling opportunities.
  • Repackaging and Aligning Offers to the Market (12:30)
    The hosts outline how sales leaders can rethink product structures and messaging to better serve customer needs, thereby improving revenue management and profitability.

Key Quotes

  • “Trust is a currency. It has to be earned by customers, by salespeople, by peers, and you can’t buy it in the first 30 days.”,  Kevin Lawson (03:00)
  • “Don’t make your new sales leader the bad guy. If there’s a tough personnel decision, handle it before they start.”,  Sean O’Shaughnessey (07:00)
  • “Learn your company inside and out. If you don’t know who runs manufacturing or how the supply chain works, you can’t lead your salespeople effectively.”,  Sean O’Shaughnessey (10:00)
  • “You might have 20 products, but 100 possible solutions. The smart leader finds ways to repackage and sell in ways the customer actually values.”,  Kevin Lawson (13:00)

Additional Resources

  • Episodes on sales onboarding, marketing alignment, and ideal customer profiling (ICP) were referenced throughout the conversation.
  • Explore more insights and tools for sales leaders at b2b-sales-lab.com.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Create a 90-Day Integration Plan.
If you’re a new sales manager, spend your first month listening and learning. Conduct one-on-ones with every salesperson, schedule cross-department meetings, and document what each function needs from sales. In the second month, identify process gaps and start designing improvements. By the third month, implement one or two visible wins, such as improving forecasting accuracy or clarifying sales messaging, to demonstrate value and build momentum.

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Automating Sales Workflows: When to Use Automation Over Chat

In sales management, there’s often some confusion about when to use artificial intelligence chat interfaces versus automation workflows. Chat interfaces are ideal for creative problem-solving, learning, and strategic research, while automation excels in repetitive, high-volume, data-driven sales tasks. The trick is to recognize when consistency and scalability are more important than customization.

Automation delivers consistent execution, eliminates human error, and operates 24/7. Sales leaders can rely on it for triggered communications, data synchronization across systems, CRM updates, and compliance tasks that require accuracy and complete audit trails. By moving these routine tasks into automated workflows, sales teams free up valuable time for relationship building, revenue generation, and refining sales strategies.

Real-world examples highlight the impact: a team once spent three hours daily crafting manual follow-up emails. Shifting to automated sequences not only saved time but also improved messaging consistency and pipeline response rates. Similarly, another team utilized automation to synchronize sales data across six systems, thereby eliminating bottlenecks and enabling sellers to focus fully on sales.

Hybrid approaches really take things to the next level! By merging human creativity in chat interactions with the quick and precise power of automation, businesses can craft workflows that beautifully balance personalized service with the ability to grow. This type of teamwork enhances value-driven selling, sharpens business skills, and accelerates revenue management throughout the sales journey.

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From 10 to 100 Customers: Scaling Your Sales Process for Growth

For founders of companies, the journey of a business is a narrative of evolution, growth, and constant adaptation. As salespeople, sales managers, and CEOs, we are all too familiar with the challenges and triumphs that punctuate this journey. In the world of sales, one of the most critical turning points is the transition from acquiring your first ten customers to expanding your customer base to 50 or even 100. This pivotal moment sets the trajectory of a business and is a key focus of our discussion.

When you’re starting, the founding team is focused on acquiring those first ten customers. They’re trying to find their footing in the market, identify their target audience, and refine their product or service offering. You might be customizing your product or service for each customer to ensure it fits their specific needs. However, as you aim for the next level of growth, it’s crucial to start thinking about systemizing your sales process. This will ensure efficiency and prepare you for the next level of growth. 

To scale effectively, company leaders need to standardize their product or service offering. While customization can be beneficial in the early stages, it becomes impractical and inefficient as your customer base grows. The key here is to create a product or service that can be sold repeatedly with minimal adjustments. This streamlines the sales process, making it easier for others to sell the product or service.

In the early stages of a business, the founders might be the ones doing all the selling. But as the company grows, this becomes less feasible. To reach a larger number of customers, you need to bring others on board to sell for you. This is where standardization comes into play. By standardizing your product or service, you make it easier for others to understand and sell it. 

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Sales Management with AI: Chat Interfaces vs. Automation Workflows

Sales organizations today face a critical decision: should they rely on interactive chat interfaces like ChatGPT, Claude, or Gemini, or should they focus on automation workflows? The answer isn’t either/or. Each approach has unique strengths, and choosing the right one directly impacts sales processes, productivity, and revenue generation.

The problem many sales teams encounter is “random implementation.” They hear about a new AI tool, adopt it quickly, and use it for the wrong purpose. The result? Chat interfaces get bogged down with repetitive work, and automation gets tasked with jobs that require creativity and nuance. Misuse not only reduces efficiency but also frustrates teams and erodes trust in artificial intelligence altogether.

So how do you know when chat is the right fit? The decision comes down to task complexity and uniqueness. Chat excels in situations that require creativity, flexibility, and human judgment. Four categories consistently stand out:

  • Creative and strategic tasks: proposals, executive messaging, strategic planning, and competitive positioning.
  • Complex problem-solving: sales opportunity strategy sessions, unique customer needs, and crisis management.
  • Learning and development: role-playing objection handling, skill coaching, and competitive intelligence training.
  • Research and analysis: prospect research, market analysis, and strategic planning.
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Transform Your Sales Team: Strategic Compensation Adjustments for Year-End Momentum

Autumn is the time of year for sales leaders, managers, and CEOs to begin laying the groundwork for next year’s success. Have you considered how your current sales compensation plans impact your team’s motivation and productivity? Now is the ideal moment to evaluate, adjust, and deliver these plans, preferably by December 1st. Doing so can significantly influence your team’s drive to close deals in December and build momentum heading into the next fiscal year.

Sales compensation should be motivating and rewarding for employees. It directly shapes your sales team’s behaviors and priorities. An effective plan incentivizes the right actions and deters the wrong ones.

Consider a common pitfall: salespeople holding back deals to inflate their numbers for the following year. Does your current compensation structure inadvertently reward this practice? If so, you’re unintentionally harming your year-end results.

To counter this, strategically incorporate compensation escalators and cliffs into your plan. Escalators progressively reward increased sales performance throughout the year. Higher performance equals higher commission rates, driving your sales team to push forward continually. 

Commission cliffs reset commission rates at the beginning of each year, creating a sense of urgency to close deals before the end of December. Communicating these compensation details clearly by early December ensures your team understands what’s at stake.

Don’t hold your team back!

Another critical compensation consideration is eliminating commission caps. While some organizations cap commissions to control expenses, this practice can backfire dramatically. Caps tell your top-performing salespeople that their exceptional efforts are neither valued nor rewarded appropriately. This demotivates your top talent and encourages them to seek opportunities elsewhere that offer uncapped rewards. 

Removing commission caps signals that the organization fully supports and rewards outstanding performance. Have you considered how much growth your company might achieve if artificial constraints didn’t limit your sales team?

When evaluating compensation, look beyond simple cost containment. Consider the true profitability of incentivizing increased sales volume. Once salespeople reach their targets and enter accelerators, each additional dollar earned typically comes at a lower incremental cost to your organization. 

Sales transactions earlier in the year have already covered the salesperson’s base salary once they have met their annual quota. In fact, at 100% of quota, the salesperson should have covered all their costs and their share of the overall company’s revenue needs. Thus, every extra sale at escalated commission rates still contributes positively to your overall profitability. 

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Choosing the Right AI Stack for Your Sales Organization

A VP of Sales recently confided in me: “We have six different AI tools, but our reps are still doing manual work. What went wrong?”

This is the AI tool proliferation problem. Sales leaders often collect tools without a strategy, mistaking a pile of features for a cohesive system. It’s like buying a hammer, screwdriver, saw, and drill without realizing you’re actually trying to build a house. An effective AI stack means integration. When tools work together, they amplify each other’s value. When they don’t, they add complexity, confusion, and wasted money.

Why Strategy Beats Random Adoption

Random tool adoption is rampant across sales organizations. Teams chase shiny new software, often ending up with overlapping features, siloed data, and productivity lost to tool-switching. Instead of solving problems, the stack itself becomes the problem.

But when built strategically, the benefits are profound. Integrated systems reduce manual data entry, accelerate response times, and deliver actionable insights for reps. Three well-chosen, well-connected tools can outperform six isolated ones. Integrated stacks also improve adoption rates by providing consistent interfaces and reducing training overhead.

The Five-Layer AI Stack Framework

To avoid the chaos of random adoption, I use a five-layer framework for structuring sales AI tools:

  1. Data Foundation – Your CRM and data management system, enriched and maintained for accuracy.
  2. Intelligence & Analytics – AI-driven insights, lead scoring, forecasting, and market intelligence.
  3. Automation & Workflow – Sequences, task automation, and cross-platform orchestration.
  4. Content & Communication – AI writing, proposal generation, and customer-facing tools.
  5. Optimization & Learning – Conversation analysis, performance tracking, and continuous improvement.
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Mastering Sales Channels: How to Align Your Strategy for Maximum Impact

Understanding the dynamics of sales channels can transform how businesses approach their markets. Many sales professionals, whether they are salespeople, managers, or CEOs, often miss a critical distinction: the difference between the product they are selling and the value it provides. 

This gap in understanding can lead to suboptimal sales performance, particularly in environments where products are sold through intermediaries, such as distributors, referral partners, or dealer networks. The challenge is not just about knowing your product, but also about understanding how to position it in a way that resonates with every player in the sales chain.

Sales success starts with recognizing who your true customer is. In sales management or channel sales, the end customer is often not the person you interact with directly. Instead, your “customer” might be the intermediary, your distributor, reseller, or even your own sales team. These intermediaries are the ones who ultimately connect your product to its final user. If you don’t understand their challenges, motivations, and context, you risk failing to equip them with the necessary tools to succeed. Are you selling a product’s features, or are you helping them understand how to sell it effectively? This distinction is vital.

When selling through intermediaries, the emphasis should shift from “what the product does” to “how the product can be sold.” Your distributors or referral partners don’t need every technical detail of your product. They need clarity on how it solves problems for their customers, how it fits into their existing offerings, and how they can position it to drive sales. 

The goal is not to overwhelm your partners with information but to provide actionable insights that align with their specific needs. If you’re focusing solely on product features, you’re likely missing the mark.

Salespeople and sales managers must also recognize the game they are playing. Are you selling a commodity, a widely available product, or an exclusive offering? Each scenario demands a different strategy. 

Commodities often compete on price, necessitating bulk sales or value-added services to differentiate themselves. Widely available products often rely on relationships, service quality, or unique add-ons to differentiate themselves. Exclusive products, on the other hand, can often avoid price wars by emphasizing their uniqueness and superior quality. Knowing which game you’re in allows you to tailor your approach and avoid misaligned strategies.

For small businesses and solopreneurs, the challenge lies in effectively managing referral partners. Referral partnerships are a powerful way to generate leads, but they require careful management and oversight. 

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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – How Sales Leaders Use CRMs to Align Sales Processes, Value Selling, and Revenue Management – Episode 152

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey build on last week’s discussion of qualification methodologies and take the conversation further—into how these frameworks should live inside your CRM. From aligning sales processes with the buyer’s journey to enforcing accountability at each stage, this conversation offers practical strategies that every sales leader and salesperson can implement. Expect a deep dive into sales management, revenue generation, sales processes, and… 

From Manual to Automated: A Sales Pro’s Guide to Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream

A sales manager recently told me something that stuck: “We went from twenty hours per week of manual work to two hours. Our lead response time dropped from four hours to four minutes.” That dramatic transformation wasn’t magic—it was automation. The reality is that sales teams today have more automation tools available than ever before. But with options like Zapier, Make.com, n8n, and Pipedream, the real challenge isn’t whether you should automate—it’s choosing the right… 

Turning Around Sales Performance: Strategies for CEOs and Sales Managers to Foster Internal Alignment

Navigating a sales turnaround isn’t just about fixing numbers; it’s about transforming the business. It’s about realigning expectations, rebuilding internal trust, and creating a structured, sustainable path forward. 

If you’re a CEO, sales manager, or a key salesperson in your organization, the pressure to reverse a sales slump can feel overwhelming. However, the truth is that turnarounds aren’t made in a sprint; they’re built through clarity, consistency, and effective communication.

Too often, sales leaders make the mistake of focusing only on the downward trend. They get caught up in the urgency of the numbers and forget that the real challenge lies in managing upward, setting expectations with executive leadership, and aligning them with reality. 

If your sales team is underperforming, your internal stakeholders are your new audience. Just as with external prospects, you need to manage their expectations with a clear, actionable plan.

The process starts with a shift in mindset. 

Instead of viewing upper management as critics, think of them as clients. What do they need to believe in this turnaround? What information do they need to trust your leadership? Start by building a high-level outline. Avoid over-engineering the details in the early stages. Focus on where you want to go, then reverse-engineer the steps to get there.

Every turnaround starts from a rear position. That means your first job is to stop the downward momentum. Before you can scale revenue, you need to stabilize it. That requires a clear definition of success, agreed upon by everyone involved. 

  • Are you trying to double revenue in 12 months? 
  • Or just return to last year’s baseline? 
  • Is that goal realistic given your market, team, and resources? 

If not, revise it. A stretch goal is fine. A fantasy is not.

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