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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – AI for Sales Success: Tools, Tactics, and Why You Can’t Ignore It – E124

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming the sales industry, but does that mean salespeople are becoming obsolete? Absolutely not! In this high-energy episode, Kevin and Sean debunk the myth that AI will replace sales professionals. Instead, they reveal how AI can be a game-changing tool for sales success.

From using AI to refine communication to automating time-consuming tasks, this episode is packed with insights on how AI can help sales leaders and reps work smarter, sell better, and stay ahead of the competition. Tune in to discover practical ways to leverage AI, improve efficiency, and dominate your market.

Key Topics Discussed

🔹 Will AI Replace Salespeople? – The truth about AI’s role in sales and why your job isn’t at risk—but your quota might be. (00:00:45)

🔹 The Evolution of Sales Tools – A nostalgic (and hilarious) look at how tools have always changed work processes—remember manual garage doors and TV dials? (00:02:21)

🔹 AI for Writing & Communication – How tools like Grammarly can make your emails, proposals, and presentations sharper, clearer, and more professional. (00:04:00)

🔹 Boosting Productivity with AI – From auto-generating customized sales presentations to intelligent scheduling, AI can free up time for what matters most: selling. (00:06:01)

🔹 The AI-Powered CRM – If your CRM doesn’t have AI integration or a plan for it, it’s time to rethink your strategy. A modern CRM is essential for competitive sales teams. (00:12:00)

Key Quotes

🗣️ Sean O’Shaughnessey: “You are not going to be replaced by AI. You’re going to be replaced by a salesperson using AI.” (00:01:00)

🗣️ Kevin Lawson: “AI isn’t here to take your job—it’s here to make you a better salesperson. Weaponize your tools and sharpen your axe.” (00:07:33)

🗣️ Sean O’Shaughnessey: “Being afraid of AI is like being afraid of Microsoft Word instead of a typewriter.” (00:10:18)

Additional Resources

🔗 Grammarly – AI-powered writing assistant for better emails, proposals, and reports.

🔗 Canva – AI-enhanced design tool for creating presentations and marketing materials in seconds.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

🚀 Start Using AI Today! Don’t wait—integrate AI into your daily sales routine now. Whether it’s improving your writing with Grammarly, using AI for scheduling, or leveraging AI-powered CRM features, pick one AI tool and start experimenting. The sooner you adopt AI, the further ahead you’ll be.

Final Thoughts

AI isn’t a threat—it’s an opportunity. The best salespeople will be the ones who embrace AI to work smarter, sell more efficiently, and build stronger customer relationships. Want to future-proof your sales career? It starts here.

👉 Hit play now and learn how AI can be your competitive advantage in sales!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Mastering Time Management: Essential Strategies for Sales Managers – E123

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Time is the most valuable resource for any professional, but for sales managers, it is the linchpin of success. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the critical strategies for effective time management as a sales leader. Whether you’re a new sales manager, an aspiring leader, or a business owner overseeing a sales team, this discussion is packed with insights to help you optimize your calendar, empower your team, and drive performance without falling into the trap of micromanagement.

Key Topics Discussed

The Shift from Salesperson to Sales Manager (00:03:00)
Understanding the common pitfalls new sales managers face when transitioning from an individual contributor to a leadership role.
The Role of a Sales Manager: Player vs. Coach (00:04:00)
Why sales managers must avoid the “player-coach” mindset and instead focus on leading, mentoring, and enabling their team’s success.
Structuring Your Calendar for Maximum Impact (00:05:45)
How to design your weekly schedule to balance coaching, strategy, internal meetings, and team availability while avoiding distractions.
The Power of Shared Calendars and CRMs (00:07:00)
Best practices for leveraging shared calendars and CRM tools to improve communication, transparency, and sales efficiency.
Why Sales Managers Should Be Like Basketball Coaches (00:13:30)
The importance of stepping back and allowing sales reps to take the lead in deals—coaching them rather than closing for them.

Key Quotes

🗣 Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:02:55):
“When you are a sales manager, your job is to make others better. You shouldn’t be stealing deals from your sales reps—you should be empowering them to succeed.”

🗣 Kevin Lawson (00:04:00):
“A player is different from being a coach. Players take direction, coaches give direction. If you’re leading a team, you need to be coaching, not competing.”

🗣 Sean O’Shaughnessey (00:14:00):
“Watch a basketball game and look at the coach. How many times do they step onto the court to take a free throw for their players? Never. That’s how sales management should work too.”

Additional Resources

📘 The One Minute Manager by Ken Blanchard & Spencer Johnson – A classic guide to leadership and effective management.
📅 Book Time with Sean – Need help refining your sales management strategy? Schedule a consultation.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Audit Your Calendar and Block Time for Success
Sales managers must structure their schedules intentionally. Take 30 minutes to review your calendar for the upcoming week:
✅ Block out time for coaching your team.
✅ Set aside dedicated slots for strategy and internal meetings.
✅ Ensure your calendar is updated and visible for your team.
✅ Reserve time for proactive sales engagement, like voice-of-the-customer calls.

Making these adjustments will free you from constant firefighting and allow you to lead effectively.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

If you’re a sales manager—or aspiring to be one—this episode is a must-listen. Kevin and Sean deliver practical, real-world strategies to help you break free from micromanagement, structure your time effectively, and lead your team to success. Stop getting caught up in the weeds and start managing like a pro. Listen now and take control of your sales leadership journey!

🎧 Hit play and start optimizing your sales management strategy today! 🚀

Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future: Insights for CEOs and Sales Leaders

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

What are the key moves that CEOs and sales leaders must make to prepare their teams for success in 2025? That’s exactly what we explored in a recent episode of the Art and Science of Complex Sales podcast hosted by Paul Fuller of Membrain. I had the pleasure of joining Kevin Lawson, President of Lighthouse Sales Advisors, for a deep dive into the strategies defining high-performing sales organizations in the year ahead.

You may recognize Kevin’s name. He is my co-host on the Two Tall Guys Talking Sales podcast. Paul titled our interview with him “Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future with Two Tall Guys.”

In the episode, we uncover the real-world tactics and leadership insights that can help CEOs transform their sales organizations—from defining who to sell to building processes that deliver consistent results. If you’re serious about leading a sales team that thrives amid complexity, I highly encourage you to listen to the full conversation. The link is below—don’t miss it.

Driving Growth Through Data-Driven Leadership

One of the central themes we cover is the role of data in guiding strategic decisions. Successful sales leadership today hinges on the ability to read the right signals—metrics like call volumes, deal velocity, customer life cycles, and attrition rates. We discuss how to turn that data into insights that refine your ideal customer profile (ICP) and strengthen your sales and marketing efforts.

We also discuss how a CEO’s dashboard isn’t static. It must evolve based on the business environment, market pressures, and geopolitical events. Paul Fuller helps steer the conversation into practical territory, where we explore how CEOs can stay ahead by making data-informed decisions and leading their teams with clarity and focus.

This podcast episode will be particularly valuable if you’re a CEO or revenue leader aiming to refine your strategic lens. Be sure to check it out through the link below.

Coaching for Consistent Performance Improvement

Data might show you where to focus, but coaching is what gets you results. Kevin and I discuss the importance of coaching for incremental gains—not just pushing reps to hit more numbers but helping them level up in ability and mindset.

We show how leaders can move salespeople from C-level to B-level performers and beyond through relatable sports analogies and real-world examples. These small, steady improvements compound over time and create a team of confident, capable sellers who know how to win.

We also touch on the need for structured coaching frameworks and repeatable systems, which we provide through website resources. If you lead a team that could benefit from a morale, performance, or accountability boost, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

Building a Repeatable, Scalable Sales Process

We close the episode with a focused discussion on sales process discipline. By taking a structured approach to evaluating leads—based on product fit, probability, and alignment with your ICP—leaders can drive better forecasting and higher win rates.

Even modest improvements in key areas like win rate, deal size, and sales cycle length can produce exponential results. We explore how a 7% uptick in core metrics could double your revenue. The message is clear: Clarity, consistency, and customer focus are non-negotiable in 2025.

If you’re looking to future-proof your sales organization, this podcast episode is packed with strategies and examples that can serve as a roadmap. Listen to the full episode and learn how to apply these concepts to your company.

Listen to the Full Episode

This is a powerful episode for CEOs, sales leaders, and anyone responsible for building and leading high-performance sales teams. If you’re ready to equip your team for 2025 and beyond, don’t miss this conversation on the Art and Science of Complex Sales podcast.

🎧 Episode: Building Winning Sales Teams for the Future with Two Tall Guys
🎙 Host: Paul Fuller of Membrain
🔗 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/building-winning-sales-teams-for-the-future-with-two/id1723340327?i=1000684372709

Click the link to listen now—you’ll walk away with actionable ideas to implement immediately.

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Sales Slumps & Hot Streaks: How to Build a Predictable Pipeline – E122

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Sales is a game of ups and downs, but what separates top performers from the rest is their ability to keep the funnel full—even when they’re closing deals. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive into the art and science of building a consistent pipeline. They discuss strategic approaches to prospecting, leveraging data tools, and the importance of curiosity in sales conversations. Whether you’re starting fresh in Q1 or looking to level up your approach, this episode is packed with actionable insights to keep your sales engine running smoothly.

Key Topics Discussed

🔹 The Sales Roller Coaster – Why salespeople experience cycles of high revenue followed by dry spells and how to smooth out the dips. (00:01:15)

🔹 The First Step: Re-engage Past Clients – Why checking in with existing customers is the easiest way to generate immediate opportunities. (00:02:23)

🔹 Using Free Data Resources to Prospect – How Data Axle and Apollo.io can help salespeople generate lists of high-potential prospects at no cost. (00:03:00)

🔹 Turning Leads Into Prospects – The difference between having a database of names and actually engaging with real sales opportunities. (00:05:31)

🔹 The Power of Networking and Curiosity – How to leverage your network to gain insights about a company before reaching out to decision-makers. (00:10:39)

🔹 Climbing the Ladder to the Decision-Maker – Why you shouldn’t start at the top and how building relationships within an organization can earn you a trusted introduction. (00:14:37)

Key Quotes

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on avoiding the sales roller coaster:
“If I go back to my drain-the-swamp analogy, you gotta put water back in the swamp, you gotta let it rain, gotta make it rain.” (00:02:02)

💬 Kevin Lawson on the importance of planning:
“Too often, salespeople stop after the second or third introduction. Timing is everything—keep going, keep networking, and keep qualifying your ideal client profile.” (00:12:39)

💬 Sean O’Shaughnessey on reaching executives:
“You cannot send an email to the CEO and expect it to be read. You are just a salesperson. If you want to sell to the top, you need a referral—and probably from someone lower in the organization.” (00:14:37)

Additional Resources

📌 Data Axle – A powerful business database often available through public libraries. Check with your local library for free access.

📌 Apollo.io – A free tool offering up to 10,000 business contacts per month to help with prospecting.

📌 Lighthouse Sales Advisors Coaching – Kevin Lawson offers 1:1 coaching to help sales professionals refine their strategies. Learn more here.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Take 30 minutes this week to evaluate your sales pipeline using the “circle exercise.”

Draw a circle and estimate what percentage of your revenue will come from existing clients vs. new clients.
Identify how many new deals you need to hit your quota.
Rank your existing leads based on fit and potential.
Develop a networking plan to move from a name on a list to an engaged prospect.

Doing this exercise will give you clarity on where to focus your efforts and how to strategically fill your pipeline.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

Struggling with an empty pipeline after closing strong last year? You’re not alone. In this fast-paced, insight-packed episode, Kevin and Sean break down the fundamental strategies that separate high-performing salespeople from those stuck on the revenue roller coaster. Whether you’re looking for free prospecting tools, better ways to approach networking, or a foolproof plan to keep your sales funnel full, this episode delivers practical tactics you can apply immediately.

🎧 Tune in now and take control of your sales pipeline!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – Engage, Listen, Succeed: Unlocking Client Conversations That Close Deals – E121

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this insightful episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep into the art of active listening and its transformative potential in sales. Building on the discussion from last week’s episode about discovery questions, Kevin and Sean provide actionable strategies to improve your listening skills, enhance your client interactions, and ultimately close more deals. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or new to the field, this episode is packed with valuable lessons you can apply immediately.

Key Topics Discussed

The Role of Active Listening in Sales Success
Kevin and Sean discuss how active listening differentiates successful salespeople from the rest and why it’s critical for uncovering client pain points.
The Power of Note-Taking
Kevin shares his transition from paper to digital note-taking and how capturing accurate information leads to better follow-ups and stronger client relationships.
Body Language and Visual Cues in Client Meetings
Sean emphasizes the importance of leaning forward, maintaining eye contact, and using other non-verbal cues to demonstrate engagement during conversations.
Learning from Reporters: Listening Like a Pro
Sean compares salespeople to seasoned reporters and outlines how active listening and asking thoughtful follow-up questions can set the stage for impactful discussions.
Upskilling Through Active Listening
Kevin highlights how organizations can improve their pipeline and closing rates by investing in training that focuses on active listening and effective questioning techniques.

Key Quotes

Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“Don’t ever book a meeting without educating the client or making them a better business. That’s the only reason you’re allowed in their office.” (Approx. 8:00)
Kevin Lawson:
“Active listening is your skeleton key to unlock doors that were previously closed. It’s the gateway to uncovering real pain points and creating meaningful solutions.” (Approx. 13:15)
Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“Leaning forward in your chair isn’t just about posture; it’s a powerful signal to your client that you’re fully engaged and ready to understand their needs.” (Approx. 10:00)

Additional Resources

Sean and Kevin refer to the previous episode on discovery questions as a foundation for this discussion. If you haven’t listened to it, consider downloading it for additional context.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Apply Active Listening in Your Next Sales Call
In your next client interaction, focus on active listening by using these three steps:

Lean forward and maintain engaged body language.
Paraphrase the client’s statements to ensure understanding.
Take detailed notes and review them to tailor your follow-up responses.

These small adjustments can significantly affect the quality of your client conversations and help you close more deals.

Summary

Active listening isn’t just a soft skill; it’s a sales superpower. In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin and Sean unravel the nuances of listening to clients, capturing their pain points, and building trust through meaningful interactions. With tips ranging from non-verbal cues to the tactical use of note-taking, this conversation equips you with tools to elevate your sales game. Whether you’re preparing for a discovery call, a QBR, or a cold call, this episode is a must-listen for actionable insights. Tune in and transform the way you engage with your clients.

Happy listening—and selling!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Art of the Discovery Call: Build Respect and Close More Deals – E120

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey tackle one of the most critical yet underestimated aspects of sales: the discovery call. Are you guilty of “winging it” during these pivotal conversations? Tune in as Kevin and Sean break down the importance of crafting a tailored question bank, share actionable tips to elevate your discovery process, and reveal how asking the right questions can transform your sales game. If you’re looking to close more deals and gain the respect of your prospects, this is the episode for you.

Key Topics Discussed

The Danger of Winging It in Discovery Calls (Approx. 00:00:00)
Kevin and Sean explain why improvising during discovery calls can lead to missed opportunities and how a question bank can save the day.
Building an Effective Question Bank (Approx. 00:01:00)
Learn how to create a dynamic set of questions tailored to different industries and titles, ensuring every prospect feels understood.
The Power of Open-Ended Questions (Approx. 00:05:00)
Discover why “what” and “how” questions are more effective than “why” questions in fostering productive, trust-building conversations.
The ROI of Better Discovery Questions (Approx. 00:07:00)
Explore how better discovery leads to more accurate forecasts, stronger relationships, and increased respect from prospects.
Refining Your Question Bank Over Time (Approx. 00:12:00)
Kevin and Sean emphasize the importance of regularly reviewing and updating your questions to stay relevant and effective.

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson: “You should never ask a question on a discovery call that you could find the answer to with public information. That’s a waste of your prospect’s time and shows you haven’t earned their business.” (Approx. 00:10:27)
Sean O’Shaughnessey: “Why questions feel like interrogation. Great discovery questions start with what and how—they build trust and uncover real insights.” (Approx. 00:06:25)
Kevin Lawson: “Writing down your questions allows you to tweak, hone, and refine them. It’s the preparation that separates good sellers from great ones.” (Approx. 00:09:05)

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Start Your Own Question Bank Today
Set aside 30 minutes to brainstorm 10-15 open-ended questions for your next discovery call. Categorize them by industry and prospect title. Use these questions in your next call, then evaluate their effectiveness. Adjust and refine over time to create a winning formula.

Summary

Mastering the discovery call is essential for any successful salesperson, and in this episode, Kevin and Sean provide the ultimate guide to getting it right. From crafting a versatile question bank to leveraging open-ended questions that build trust and uncover insights, this episode is packed with actionable advice to transform your sales process. Don’t miss this opportunity to elevate your skills and close more deals—listen now and discover the art of the perfect discovery call!

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – The Death of Cold Calling and the Rise of Relationship Selling – E119

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Cold calling is dead—or so claims our guest, Ben Victorica, in this thought-provoking Two Tall Guys Talking Sales episode. Hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey dive deep with Ben into the challenges of modern sales pipelines and explore why traditional outreach methods are no longer effective. Together, they uncover how relationship selling, fueled by emotional intelligence and strategic connections, is reshaping the future of sales. Whether you’re a seasoned sales professional or just starting out, this episode is packed with actionable insights you can’t afford to miss.

Key Topics Discussed

Why Cold Calling is Ineffective Today
Ben discusses the inefficiency of cold outreach in the modern era, citing Bank of America’s 2021 decision to ban cold calling as a pivotal moment in sales strategy. (Approx. 00:01:00)
The Economics of Cold Outreach vs. Relationship Selling
Sean explains the hidden costs of cold calling, emphasizing the expensive hourly rate of quota-bearing sales reps and its low ROI. (Approx. 00:02:20)
Leveraging LinkedIn for Strategic Connections
Ben provides a practical, step-by-step guide to mining LinkedIn connections for warm referrals, using your network intelligently without costly tools. (Approx. 00:05:35)
The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Modern Sales
Kevin and Ben discuss how sales professionals can use emotional intelligence and relationship intelligence tools to identify and nurture stronger business relationships. (Approx. 00:10:45)
Maximizing Relationship Capital with Technology
Ben introduces KnowledgeNet, a tool that helps sales teams unlock and scale their relationship capital to drive business growth. (Approx. 00:12:00)

Key Quotes

Kevin Lawson:
“Top of funnel cold outreach with no relationship is nearly impossible—it’s a cost line on any P&L.” (Approx. 00:04:48)
Sean O’Shaughnessey:
“If you hand someone a list of 100 people you’d like an introduction to, you’ll get zero. But ask for five or ten, and you’ll get meaningful connections.” (Approx. 00:07:45)
Ben Victorica:
“Cold calling is dead. Relationship selling instead.” (Approx. 00:01:49)

Additional Resources Mentioned

KnowledgeNet.ai: A powerful tool to uncover and leverage relationship capital within your organization. Visit KnowledgeNet
Wall Street Journal 2021 Article: Referenced by Ben regarding Bank of America’s decision to ban cold calling – https://www.wsj.com/articles/bank-of-americas-merrill-lynch-to-ban-trainee-brokers-from-making-cold-calls-11621850400.

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Use LinkedIn as a referral engine.
List key LinkedIn connections that align with your ideal customer profile. Then, approach your strongest network contacts—your “super connectors”—with a curated list of five to ten potential introductions. Respect their time and include a pre-written email template to make the referral process seamless.

Why You Should Listen to This Episode

The sales landscape has shifted, and the old playbook of cold calling no longer delivers results. This episode offers a fresh perspective on building pipelines using strategic relationships and modern tools like KnowledgeNet. Packed with real-world advice from Kevin, Sean, and Ben, this conversation will inspire you to rethink your sales approach. Ready to ditch outdated tactics and embrace the future of selling? Tune in now to gain the edge you need.

Understanding Your Customers: The Role of Buyer Personas and Quarterly Business Reviews

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Want to know the real secret behind successful sales? It’s not just about knowing what your customers need. The true power lies in understanding who they are at their core.

Have you ever wondered why some sales professionals consistently outperform their peers? The answer often comes down to their mastery of buyer personas and detailed profiles that capture the essence of your ideal customers.

Think of buyer personas as your secret weapon in the sales battlefield. These aren’t just random customer profiles thrown together in a rushed afternoon meeting. They represent carefully crafted composites of your most valuable clients, built from real-world data and insights. Your company might need several of these personas, each targeting different market segments with laser precision.

Creating effective buyer personas demands more than just surface-level observation. Start with a thorough analysis of your business landscape. Examine your strengths and weaknesses. Map out the opportunities that excite you and the threats that keep you up at night. This foundation helps you understand exactly where you fit in your customers’ world.

What makes your top customers tick? The answer lies in meaningful conversations with your best clients. These discussions should dig deep into both quantitative and qualitative factors. Demographics tell part of the story – age, position, education, family status. But the real gold comes from understanding their motivations. Why did they choose you? What problems do you solve that keep them coming back?

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