Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – How Sales Leaders Use CRMs to Align Sales Processes, Value Selling, and Revenue Management – Episode 152

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales – How Sales Leaders Use CRMs to Align Sales Processes, Value Selling, and Revenue Management – Episode 152

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

In this episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales, hosts Kevin Lawson and Sean O’Shaughnessey build on last week’s discussion of qualification methodologies and take the conversation further—into how these frameworks should live inside your CRM. From aligning sales processes with the buyer’s journey to enforcing accountability at each stage, this conversation offers practical strategies that every sales leader and salesperson can implement. Expect a deep dive into sales management, revenue generation, sales processes, and how value selling thrives when marketing and sales teams work in sync.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Why your CRM is the right home for qualification methodologies (00:48)
  • Best practices for embedding qualification questions into sales processes (02:01)
  • How sales leaders enforce discipline and consistency across teams (03:18)
  • Eliminating Excel spreadsheets and consolidating data for effective revenue management (05:12)
  • Aligning marketing collateral with sales strategies to support qualification and value selling (06:00)
  • Real-world stories of late-stage deal failures caused by missing buyer-side approvals (10:21)

Key Quotes

  • Kevin Lawson (05:12): “Oh, please, oh, please evacuate Excel spreadsheets from your solution guide… For the purposes of this discussion, we want to strenuously avoid having third-party apps disconnected from your system.”
  • Sean O’Shaughnessey (10:40): “There is nothing worse than missing your quarterly number because you didn’t know how they were going to buy… Knowing the paperwork process is the difference between celebrating the win and missing your commission check.”
  • Kevin Lawson (14:10): “Having a qualification methodology mapped into your CRM, aligned with a buyer’s journey and supported by marketing resources, gives you a fully wrapped system that prevents that dreaded CEO call asking, ‘What’s the status of that deal?’”

Additional Resources

A Significant Actionable Item from this Podcast

Embed your qualification methodology directly into your CRM, tied to each stage of your sales process.

Don’t let critical deal information reside inside spreadsheets or Word docs; configure your CRM so progression requires those qualification questions to be answered. This not only improves sales accuracy but also enhances revenue management, ensures consistency across your team, and creates alignment with marketing resources to drive value selling.

Summary

This episode of Two Tall Guys Talking Sales is a must-listen for anyone serious about building sustainable sales success. Sean and Kevin reveal how sales strategies such as qualification methodologies come to life when fully integrated into CRM-driven sales processes. You’ll learn why sales management must prioritize data consistency, how business acumen prevents late-stage deal disasters, and how aligning messaging between sales and marketing fuels stronger revenue generation. If you want practical insights on improving your sales processes and elevating your organization’s performance, download this episode today and start putting these best practices to work.

Transforming Quota-Setting: Strategies for Sales Leaders to Optimize Performance and Revenue

Transforming Quota-Setting: Strategies for Sales Leaders to Optimize Performance and Revenue

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Quota-setting is one of the most misunderstood elements of sales leadership. Too often, it’s treated as a spreadsheet exercise or a top-down directive, rather than a strategic lever that drives behavior, performance, and growth.

Whether you’re leading a team of 20 or you’re the founder managing three reps, how you define quotas has a direct impact on your revenue trajectory and your team’s motivation.

So, where do you start?

With timing. If you’re not delivering quotas to your team until February or March, you’re already behind. Salespeople need clarity by December. That gives them runway to plan, prioritize, and hit the ground running in January. Delayed quotas create confusion and stall momentum. To achieve a strong Q1, you need to equip your team early.

Quota-setting varies depending on the size of your company. Larger teams offer more flexibility. With 10 or more reps, you can spread risk, balance performance, and model averages. You’ll have top performers who consistently overdeliver, alongside newer reps who are still ramping up. The law of averages works in your favor. You can afford some variance. Smaller teams don’t have that luxury.

When you’re running a small team, maybe two or three reps or founder-led sales, every individual matters. One person missing quota can tank your number.

You can’t rely on averages. You need precision.

That means tying quotas to actual relationships, known opportunities, and real probability. It’s not about slicing up a target evenly. It’s about assigning numbers based on what’s realistically achievable in each territory or account list.

Territory design plays a big role here. Whether it’s geographic, vertical, or named accounts, quota must reflect the market potential. You can’t expect equal performance from unequal opportunity. If Rep A has 500 viable accounts and Rep B has 50, their quotas shouldn’t look the same unless you have data that says Rep B’s accounts are closer to your Ideal Client Profile. Use available market data to inform the number. Don’t assign quotas in a vacuum. 

In larger organizations, quotas often originate from the top down, typically from finance. The CEO and CFO commit a growth number to the board, investors, or in public filings to the SEC. They have no choice but to pass it down. It’s not uncommon for the sales team to receive the number without context. That’s a problem. If you’re in a leadership role, you need to pressure test that number. Can your team realistically hit it? If not, what additional resources are required?

  • More headcount?
  • Better enablement?
  • Marketing support?

In large organizations where the quota is driven by investor expectations, the VP of Sales must establish an organization well before the new year that achieves this year’s goal, while also meeting the expectation of growth for the next year. Planning ahead, sometimes years in advance, is part of the job.

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Turning Around Sales Performance: Strategies for CEOs and Sales Managers to Foster Internal Alignment

Turning Around Sales Performance: Strategies for CEOs and Sales Managers to Foster Internal Alignment

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Navigating a sales turnaround isn’t just about fixing numbers; it’s about transforming the business. It’s about realigning expectations, rebuilding internal trust, and creating a structured, sustainable path forward. 

If you’re a CEO, sales manager, or a key salesperson in your organization, the pressure to reverse a sales slump can feel overwhelming. However, the truth is that turnarounds aren’t made in a sprint; they’re built through clarity, consistency, and effective communication.

Too often, sales leaders make the mistake of focusing only on the downward trend. They get caught up in the urgency of the numbers and forget that the real challenge lies in managing upward, setting expectations with executive leadership, and aligning them with reality. 

If your sales team is underperforming, your internal stakeholders are your new audience. Just as with external prospects, you need to manage their expectations with a clear, actionable plan.

The process starts with a shift in mindset. 

Instead of viewing upper management as critics, think of them as clients. What do they need to believe in this turnaround? What information do they need to trust your leadership? Start by building a high-level outline. Avoid over-engineering the details in the early stages. Focus on where you want to go, then reverse-engineer the steps to get there.

Every turnaround starts from a rear position. That means your first job is to stop the downward momentum. Before you can scale revenue, you need to stabilize it. That requires a clear definition of success, agreed upon by everyone involved. 

  • Are you trying to double revenue in 12 months? 
  • Or just return to last year’s baseline? 
  • Is that goal realistic given your market, team, and resources? 

If not, revise it. A stretch goal is fine. A fantasy is not.

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From Reporting to Coaching: Elevate Your One-on-One Sales Meetings to Drive Performance and Trust

From Reporting to Coaching: Elevate Your One-on-One Sales Meetings to Drive Performance and Trust

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

A one-on-one sales meeting is not a reporting meeting. It’s not about reviewing what already happened. And it’s definitely not about the manager doing most of the talking. The purpose of a one-on-one pipeline review is to develop the salesperson, surface challenges, and accelerate opportunities. If your one-on-ones are anything less, you’re leaving performance on the table.

Sales leaders often default to micromanagement. 

Especially when the rep is new or struggling. But that approach backfires. It creates dependency and stifles problem-solving. The goal is to coach your reps into leading the meeting. That shift changes everything. When reps own the agenda and bring forward deal-level insights, they’re forced to think critically. That’s where growth happens.

If you’re leading a sales team or are a CEO playing the role of sales manager, you need to establish a clear structure. But the rep does the prep. You define the meeting cadence and format. Weekly or bi-weekly, depending on your velocity. You outline the sections: committed deals, stalled deals, and at-risk deals. 

But the rep fills in the content. They come to the meeting ready to walk you through each opportunity, with specific updates and clear asks.

Preparation is non-negotiable. For both sides. 

The salesperson should have updated their CRM before the meeting. The manager should have reviewed that data in advance. If either party shows up unprepared, the meeting becomes reactive. 

A waste of time. And it erodes trust quickly. 

Reps notice when you haven’t read the notes. They know when you’re winging it. And if they feel their effort isn’t valued, they’ll stop putting in the effort.

You want to create a culture where preparation is expected and rewarded. 

The fastest way to management failure is to ask questions that could have been answered by reading the CRM. Instead, use that time: 

  • To probe deeper. 
  • Ask about the deal strategy. 
  • Challenge assumptions. 
  • Help salespeople spot gaps they missed. 

That’s where your experience has real value.

It’s tempting to jump in and solve the problem. Especially when you see the red flags before the rep does. But resist the urge. Let them talk it through. Coach them toward the insight. Your job isn’t to close the deal; it’s to build someone who can. That means teaching them how to identify weak spots, how to pressure test a deal, and how to re-engage a stalled buyer. The real value of one-on-ones is in that development.

Think about how you coach. 

Are you diagnosing for them? Or are you helping them diagnose for themselves? When a rep says “this deal is solid, no issues,” that’s a red flag. Every deal has risk. Your job is to help them uncover it. Ask: “What’s the biggest thing that could derail this?” Or “What’s the last thing the buyer said that gave you pause?” These questions surface the truth. And they teach reps to self-assess more effectively.

There’s a fine line between coaching and grading. You want reps to be honest about their pipeline without fear of judgment. 

If a deal is weak, that’s not a character flaw. It’s a coaching moment. 

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APIs Explained for Sales Leaders: Drive Growth Without Extra Headcount

APIs Explained for Sales Leaders: Drive Growth Without Extra Headcount

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

A sales manager recently told me, “I have to copy the same prospect data into five different tools. There has to be a better way.” That frustration is more common than most sales leaders realize, and fortunately, there is a better way.

The reality is that sales teams are hemorrhaging productivity due to disconnected systems. Top performers spend hours manually entering data, bouncing between platforms, and correcting inevitable errors. This administrative overhead steals time from the only activity that drives revenue: selling.

At Oracle, TIBCO Software, and Red Hat, we used to call this “system integration.” Today, the language has shifted, and we call it APIs. But while the terminology may have evolved, the underlying solution remains powerful—and far more accessible than ever. APIs act like invisible bridges, allowing your tools to communicate seamlessly without human intervention.

Think of APIs as the waiter in a restaurant. Your CRM (the customer) tells the waiter what it wants. The waiter goes to the kitchen (the external service), retrieves the order, and delivers it back to the table. Your sales team never sees the behind-the-scenes work, only the results. That’s the beauty of APIs: they quietly enable speed, accuracy, and scale.

The impact on sales organizations is profound. With API integrations in place, companies reduce administrative work by huge percentages, improve data accuracy through automated syncing, and shrink research time from hours to minutes. Sales velocity climbs when tools communicate directly, and managers gain real-time pipeline visibility that simply isn’t possible otherwise.

No-code integration platforms like n8n, Zapier, Make.com, and Microsoft Power Automate make APIs accessible to every sales team. Whether it’s automating lead enrichment, triggering email sequences, streamlining forecasting, or even preventing churn, APIs unlock productivity and accuracy at every stage of the sales process. These aren’t theoretical benefits—they’re measurable gains that compound over time.

The real question isn’t whether your team can benefit from APIs, but whether you’re willing to make the leap. Ask the right questions of your vendors. Start small with one or two integrations. Document and test your processes. And most importantly, free your team from administrative busywork so they can focus on delivering value to customers.

The future of B2B sales isn’t about choosing between humans and AI. It’s about humans amplified by AI. Let’s build that future together.

If you’d like to explore this topic in more depth, there’s a podcast episode that covers all of this information and more. You can find the link below and consider subscribing to the podcast AI Tools for Sales Pros on your favorite podcast player.

ChatGPT vs. Claude vs. Gemini vs. Copilot: Which AI Wins in Sales?

ChatGPT vs. Claude vs. Gemini vs. Copilot: Which AI Wins in Sales?

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

A few days ago, a sales manager asked me which AI platform to use for writing cold emails. I told him it depends on what kind of emails he’s writing, and he looked confused. That confusion is common and costly. ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and Copilot all look similar at first glance, but in reality, they serve very different purposes depending on your sales workflow.

Choosing the right platform matters because the wrong choice drains time, creates change fatigue, and erodes ROI. Companies that align platform strengths to sales use cases are seeing dramatic results: 40% higher email response rates, 60% faster proposal generation, and triple the efficiency in call preparation. The stakes are high, and the decision deserves more than guesswork.

ChatGPT: The Versatile Performer
ChatGPT shines when creativity and personality are critical. It’s excellent for cold emails with humor, social selling posts, objection-handling scripts, and meeting prep. The downside? It can be verbose and sometimes casual for executive communication. If your team thrives on creativity and prospecting with personality, ChatGPT is a strong choice.

Claude: The Professional Communicator
Claude specializes in polished, business-appropriate communication. It’s strong for executive proposals, deal analysis, contract prep, and professional email sequences. While less creative than ChatGPT, it’s ideal for enterprise and strategic sales where tone, nuance, and professionalism are paramount.

Gemini: The Integrated Researcher
Google’s Gemini offers real-time research, market intelligence, and smooth integration with Google Workspace. It’s especially powerful for sales teams who rely heavily on spreadsheets, Gmail, and real-time prospect research. However, it may produce generic copy and come with potential data privacy concerns.

Copilot: The Enterprise Integrator
Microsoft Copilot excels in environments already standardized on Microsoft tools. Its strength lies in Outlook automation, PowerPoint proposals, Teams prep, and CRM integrations. While it can feel corporate and less creative, it’s perfect for organizations that value compliance, governance, and seamless integration across Microsoft 365.

Making the Right Choice
The best AI platform isn’t the one with the flashiest marketing; it’s the one your team will consistently use. Start by mapping your use cases: creative outreach, professional communication, research, or enterprise integration. Then run pilot programs, measure results, and refine your approach. Many sales teams find value in using more than one platform, each aligned to a different stage of the sales cycle.

The future of B2B sales isn’t about choosing between humans and AI. It’s about humans amplified by AI. Let’s build that future together.

If you’d like to explore this topic in more depth, there’s a podcast episode that covers all of this information and more. You can find the link below and consider subscribing to the podcast AI Tool for Sales Pros on your favorite podcast player.

Cut Through the AI Hype: Practical Definitions for Sales Professionals

Cut Through the AI Hype: Practical Definitions for Sales Professionals

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Artificial intelligence is transforming sales, but too many leaders are investing in tools they don’t fully understand. The result? Costly mistakes, poor adoption, and missed opportunities. This episode of AI Tools for Sales Pros breaks down the three core technologies behind AI:

  1. Machine Learning (ML),
  2. Natural Language Processing (NLP),
  3. Large Language Models (LLMs)

and explains them in plain language that every sales professional can use.

The episode compares the current AI confusion to the database revolution of the 1990s. Just as sales leaders once needed to grasp relational databases or virtualization to sell effectively, today’s leaders must understand AI fundamentals to buy, implement, and coach effectively. Without this knowledge, vendor meetings become traps where features outshine true solutions.

Why Sales Leaders Need to Understand AI

  • Vendors are selling “AI-powered” tools that are often just automation with marketing polish.
  • ROI depends on knowing what you’re really buying.
  • Sales reps look to leadership for clarity and coaching on new technologies.
  • Competitive advantage comes from strategic implementation, not just adoption.

The Three Core AI Technologies

Machine Learning (ML): The pattern recognition engine. It predicts outcomes by analyzing historical sales data. Use cases: lead scoring, deal risk analysis, forecasting.

Natural Language Processing (NLP): The communication translator. It helps machines understand and analyze human conversations. Use cases: call transcription, sentiment analysis, chatbots, and objection detection.

Large Language Models (LLMs): The content creation powerhouse. They generate human-like content at scale. Use cases: personalized emails, proposals, meeting prep, follow-ups.

When the Technologies Work Together

The magic happens when ML, NLP, and LLMs integrate. Imagine: ML identifies the best prospects, NLP uncovers their communication style, and LLMs create personalized outreach. Companies are seeing 30%+ response rates with this integrated approach.

Misconceptions and Realities

  • Myth: AI replaces humans. Reality: It augments judgment.
  • Myth: More AI equals better results. Reality: Focused use beats scattered adoption.
  • Myth: AI requires massive data. Reality: Many sales AI tools work with modest data sets.

Action Steps for Sales Leaders

  1. Audit your current tools—identify which technologies you’re already using.
  2. Apply the vendor evaluation framework before making new purchases.
  3. Share these simplified definitions with your team.
  4. Connect with peers in the B2B Sales Lab community to learn from real implementations.

AI competency isn’t about programming—it’s about making better buying decisions and leading your sales team strategically. The future of B2B sales is not humans vs. AI—it’s humans amplified by AI.

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AI in B2B Sales Isn’t Optional Anymore

AI in B2B Sales Isn’t Optional Anymore

By Sean O'Shaughnessey

Several months ago, I was serving as a fractional VP of Sales for a $50 million manufacturing company. Their top salesperson was a 15-year veteran who knew the industry inside and out. Yet he was consistently being outsold by a competitor’s much newer hire. At first, it didn’t make sense until we discovered the reason.

The competitor’s rep wasn’t just more energetic or aggressive. They were AI-enabled. While my client’s rep was manually scrolling LinkedIn and drafting emails from scratch, the competitor’s rep was using AI tools to research prospects, craft personalized outreach, and prepare for meetings. In other words, the competitor had a partner working 24/7—freeing them to focus on what humans do best: building trust and closing deals.

That was the turning point. I realized we weren’t just competing against other salespeople anymore. We were competing against AI-enhanced sales teams.

The Most Urgent Technology Wave in Sales

Throughout my career, I’ve watched new technology waves disrupt the sales profession. Robotics transformed manufacturing in the 1980s. Solid modeling replaced drafting tables in the 1990s. Cloud computing reshaped IT in the 2000s.

Each time, early adopters gained the edge while laggards struggled to catch up. The AI wave is different for two reasons:

  1. It’s broader: touching every aspect of sales, from prospecting to forecasting.
  2. It’s faster: companies have months, not years, to adapt before the competitive gap becomes overwhelming.

AI in sales isn’t coming. It’s already here.

The Four Pillars of AI Sales Transformation

To make sense of AI’s role in sales, I use a framework I call the Four Pillars of AI Sales Transformation.

1. Efficiency Amplification

Salespeople lose hours each week on research, data entry, and administrative tasks. AI automates these repetitive activities, turning wasted time into revenue-generating capacity. If a rep with a $2 million quota spends 40% of their time on admin work, reclaiming even half of that time can translate into hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional revenue potential.

2. Personalization at Scale

Buyers expect relevance. AI enables sales teams to tailor outreach at a scale that was previously impossible. One client of mine went from producing 10 personalized emails per day to 500, each one referencing company news, industry pain points, or competitive dynamics. The result: higher engagement and faster response times.

3. Predictive Intelligence

AI spots patterns humans miss. It identifies which deals are at risk, when prospects are most likely to respond, and which leads are worth pursuing first. For one client, simply shifting demos to Tuesday afternoons increased conversion rates by 40%. When your competitors are guessing, AI gives you confidence.

4. Continuous Learning & Optimization

Unlike static playbooks, AI evolves. It analyzes win/loss data, tests messaging, and provides real-time coaching insights. One client discovered that pricing discussions were their biggest choke point. AI flagged the pattern, we built automated battlecards, and close rates improved by 18%.

Real-World Results

These aren’t theoretical benefits. In my own client work:

  • An AI-powered prospecting rollout increased appointment-setting rates from 8% to 23% in just six weeks.
  • A lost-deal analysis uncovered patterns that helped recover $2 million in the pipeline.

The reality is clear: companies already experimenting with AI are pulling ahead. Those who delay are watching the gap widen daily.

Three Things You Can Do This Month

If you’re ready to start, here are three immediate steps:

  1. Audit your workflow. Identify one repetitive task you can automate—prospect research, meeting prep, or follow-up emails.
  2. Pilot an AI tool. Start small with an affordable, no-code platform. Many cost less than $200/month.
  3. Learn with others. Don’t navigate this change alone. Surround yourself with peers who are experimenting, learning, and winning with AI.

Join the B2B Sales Lab

The best way to accelerate your adoption is to connect with others on the same journey. That’s why we built the B2B Sales Lab, a private, member-led community for sales professionals who want actionable insights, not theory. It’s where strategy meets execution.

In the Lab, you can:

  • Ask real questions about sales challenges.
  • Share proven best practices.
  • Learn from other sales professionals and veteran leaders.

Your first 90 days are free. Join us today at b2b-sales-lab.com.

The future of B2B sales isn’t about choosing between humans and AI. It’s about humans amplified by AI. Those who adapt now will thrive. Those who wait may not get the chance to catch up.

To learn more, listen to this podcast on the subject.